On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 11:14:04PM +0100, Horatiu Vultur wrote:
> The 03/08/2022 19:10, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> >
> > > > So this is a function of the track length between the MAC and the PHY?
> > >
> > > Nope.
> > > This latency represents the time it takes for the frame to travel from RJ45
> > > module to the timestamping unit inside the PHY. To be more precisely,
> > > the timestamping unit will do the timestamp when it detects the end of
> > > the start of the frame. So it represents the time from when the frame
> > > reaches the RJ45 to when the end of start of the frame reaches the
> > > timestamping unit inside the PHY.
> >
> > I must be missing something here. How do you measure the latency
> > difference for a 1 meter cable vs a 100m cable?
>
> In the same way because the end result will be the same.
The latency from the RJ45 to the PHY will be the same. But the latency
from the link peer PHY to the local PHY will be much more, 500ns. In
order for this RJ45 to PHY delay to be meaningful, don't you also need
to know the length of the cable? Is there a configuration knob
somewhere for the cable length?
I'm assuming the ptp protocol does not try to measure the cable delay,
since if it did, there would be no need to know the RJ45-PHY delay, it
would be part of that.
> > Isn't this error all just in the noise?
>
> I am not sure I follow this question.
At minimum, you expect to have a 1m cable. The RJ45-PHY track length
is maybe 2cm? So 2% of the overall length. So you are trying to
correct the error this 2% causes. If you have a 100m cable, 0.02% is
RJ45-PHY part that you are trying to correct the error on. These
numbers seem so small, it seems pointless. It only seems to make sense
if you know the length of the cable, and to an accuracy of a few cm.
Andrew
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 12:36:54AM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> I'm assuming the ptp protocol does not try to measure the cable delay,
> since if it did, there would be no need to know the RJ45-PHY delay, it
> would be part of that.
The PTP does indeed measure the cable delay. With a well tuned
system, you can tell the copper cable length directly from the
measured delay.
The problem with uncorrected PHY time stamps is that they affect the
boundary point between the node and the network. A static error there
will create a path asymmetry that can neither be measured nor
corrected by the PTP, and a variable error degrades the time signal.
Thanks,
Richard
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 05:46:47PM -0800, Richard Cochran wrote:
> The problem with uncorrected PHY time stamps is that they affect the
> boundary point between the node and the network. A static error there
> will create a path asymmetry that can neither be measured nor
> corrected by the PTP, and a variable error degrades the time signal.
And FWIW, the imperfections in the cable *also* introduce path
asymmetry and thus uncorrected offsets. The twisted pairs are never
exactly the same length in both directions, for example.
However the PHY delays can be in the microseconds, but cable delay
deltas in the nanoseconds, so correcting PHY delay is much more
important.
Thanks,
Richard