youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8
Fuck Systemd. It is passionless static, worthless.
Only here to force us in a direction.
And Linus Trovalds agrees 100% with that direction.
But he never claimed to be brilliant
nor have good taste in women
nor be uncorruptable
(got to keep that RedHat stock valuable)
This was recorded in the morning
Fuck Systemd.
Fuck Lennart Poettering.
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote:
[snip masturbation]
To quote Jordan Hubbard,
Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's
wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying
within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if
all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers.
That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies
to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give
a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in question,
letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with
your, er, output...
Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video...
Fuck you.
This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything.
It's either your way or the highway.
On 10/4/14, Al Viro <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote:
>
> [snip masturbation]
>
> To quote Jordan Hubbard,
>
> Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's
> wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying
> within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if
> all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers.
>
> That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies
> to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give
> a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in
> question,
> letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with
> your, er, output...
>
> Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video...
>
>
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
Gregory Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fuck you.
>
> This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything.
> It's either your way or the highway.
>
Did you even *read* Al's reply? He's objecting to the tactics, not
the underlying message that systemd is crap. Sheesh.
>
> On 10/4/14, Al Viro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote:
> >
> > [snip masturbation]
> >
> > To quote Jordan Hubbard,
> >
> > Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's
> > wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying
> > within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if
> > all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers.
> >
> > That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies
> > to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give
> > a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in
> > question,
> > letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with
> > your, er, output...
> >
> > Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video...
> >
> >
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Dry logic is what the opponents of systemD have been using.
Appeal to authority, appeal to emotion (new!) and circular reasoning
plus the application of authority (Bans (Debian, Arch linux, Linux forums, etc))
are what the systemD proponents have been using.
The proponents are winning, they even have linus on their side;
Who in the past has weighed in on userspace issues such as
KDE4, Gnome3, PulseAudio, etc.... now claims that he doesn't
know ANNYTHING about userspace and is only a kernel hacker:
when it comes to userspace he uses what he's given and is clueless
(paraphrasing his claims Deb Conf '14)
Clearly he is lying. He vouched for systemd, says he uses it, doesn't
see any problem, says "the init wars are over, right" (lies again, systemd
isn't only init. He knows that), says he doesn't know anything about
userland anyway (another lie, comparing his earlier statements).
The systemD proponents use every manner of persuasion and coersion.
We are told to only use dry logic and not show ANY emotion or opinion.
They take the hill, we are relegated to the ditch. Who's going to win?
We are getting this thing shoved down our throats,
and a little song against it is a problem?
On 10/5/14, Chuck Ebbert <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
> Gregory Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Fuck you.
>>
>> This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything.
>> It's either your way or the highway.
>>
>
> Did you even *read* Al's reply? He's objecting to the tactics, not
> the underlying message that systemd is crap. Sheesh.
>
>>
>> On 10/4/14, Al Viro <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote:
>> >
>> > [snip masturbation]
>> >
>> > To quote Jordan Hubbard,
>> >
>> > Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's
>> > wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying
>> > within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if
>> > all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers.
>> >
>> > That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it
>> > applies
>> > to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't
>> > give
>> > a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in
>> > question,
>> > letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections
>> > with
>> > your, er, output...
>> >
>> > Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video...
>> >
>> >
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>
It seems like the unix-like era of linux development is coming to a close.
Those of us who prefer the unix ways should perhaps shelter them.
Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o
Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk
"No software is finished"
This we fundamentally disagree on.
You are incorrect.
On 10/6/14, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit :
>> What is needed is inaction,
>
> Huh.... I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is
> weird!
> Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even
> tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is
> better". Systemd is excessive, yes. But inaction is never a good thing,
> no software is finished. There is always a way to enhance it, or to do
> things in a better way. Systemd tried, and convinced a lot of people
> (not me), so it was adopted by almost all distros, despite the problems
> it have.
>
>> what there was before systemd was fine.
>> Acting is the problem.
>
> Then, why not forking whatever was fine for you, and stop annoying
> people? Stop infringing the rules of this mailing list (because, I
> really doubt that insulting people is allowed)?
> You are enough systemd haters around to be able to maintain sysvinit, I
> don't doubt it. But, of course, it's easier to whine on a user list,
> annoying everyone which do not share your exact point of view, than
> acting yourself.
> With all mails on systemd's war, I am sure that there was enough time
> to do that, if people had actually acted.
>
> Oh... and, there *are* some people which acts. I do not like the
> systemd's direction, but I do think one of it's features is nice (the
> unit system). And I have discovered (maybe with a mail on this list? Or
> random searches? Not sure) that some people do act: there is uselessd,
> which is an alternative which removes lot of "features" of systemd, to
> go back to non-bloated software. There is also eudev, by gentoo,
> destined to replace udev. The same distro which produces openrc IIRC.
>
> See? There *are* alternatives (yes, I have seen some mails saying in
> title that there are no alternatives. I don't mind, I know it's wrong,
> because gentoo does not use systemd). So, stop whining, move! And if you
> want to stay on pure debian, I don't doubt people will be interested if
> someone packages those projects into Debian.
>
Le 06.10.2014 18:30, Gregory Smith a écrit :
> "No software is finished"
>
> This we fundamentally disagree on.
> You are incorrect.
So, give me any software that you are sure it does not contain any bug.
Oh, and, "int main(){ return 0; }" is not a correct reply.