Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: pwaechtler@mac.com
cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 10/10 sound/oss/dmasound/dmasound_q40.c
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[ More examples of emails that didn't make it to me, with a public warning 
  to the kernel list. I'm going through my last 1000 received emails to 
  see which ones were incorrectly marked spam: that seems to have happened
  to exactly 2 of them right now, your 5/10 and Hans' 3/3.

  On the whole I'm pretty happy, since it automatically deleted 150+ real
  spam emails over the last two days alone, so the few false positives
  aren't going to make me switch - I'll just try to convince people to 
  fix their mailers instead. ]

Peter,
 your emails tend to be marked as spam for me. This one, for example, came 
_really_ close to my not-very-aggressive filter limit, and since I never 
received PATCH 5/10 I suspect that got eaten.

The reasons your emails seem to be considered spammish by spamassassing 
is:

	tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2,NO_REAL_NAME,DATE_IN_FUTURE

because of this:

 (a) your email software is broken and does not add a message ID, so the 
     ID gets added by one of the _relaying_ stations instead of your own 
     mailer:

	Message-Id: <200209091005.g89A5SVw025550@smtp-relay01.mac.com>
	Received: from picmac.adams.family ([145.254.143.74]) by
	          asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id
	          H261D300.AEV; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:05:27 -0700 

     Spam detectors consider emails without original message ID's to be
     likely bulk output.

 (b) Your email From address is

	From: pwaechtler@mac.com

     which looks more automated than a named person (ie it _likes_ seeing 
     something like this:

	From: pwaechtler@mac.com (Peter Waechtler)

     instead, which looks more like a real person than an automated 
     address - and also allows the quoted reply to look a lot more 
     natural)

 (c) your date is bogus:

	Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:56:27 +0200

     even though the mail was received "Mon, 9 Sep 2002". Again, this 
     tends to make spam detectors _think_ that the email body was 
     auto-generated rather than generated by a real mail client.

Your mailer seems to be

	X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482)

which is apparently a total piece of cr*p software. 

NOTE! This email actually got past the spam filter despite all these 
problems. But the problems get it "close enough" to be considered spam 
that any additional issues (if you were to send an all-caps subject line, 
for example) would take it over the line. That seems to have happened with 
patch 5/10, for example.

			Linus

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