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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:54:50 -0700
From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
To: Pauline Middelink <middelin@polyware.nl>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: bigphysarea support in 2.2.19 and 2.4.0 kernels
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:51:03PM +0100, Pauline Middelink wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 around 13:25:41 -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:21:37PM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 11:35:30AM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > > > The real question is how to guarantee that these pages will be contiguous
> > > > in memory.  The slab allocator may also work, but I think there are size
> > > > constraints on how much I can get in one pass.
> > > 
> > > You cannot guarantee it after the system has left bootup stage. That's the
> > > whole reason why bigphysarea exists.
> > > 
> > > -Andi
> > 
> > I am wondering why the drivers need such a big contiguous chunk of memory.
> > For message passing operatings, they should not.  Some of 
> > the user space libraries appear to need this support.  I am going through 
> > this code today attempting to determine if there's a way to reduce this 
> > requirement or map the memory differently.   I am not using these cards
> > for a ccNUMA implementation, although they have versions of these 
> > adapters that can provide this capability, but for message passing with 
> > small windows of coherence between machines with push/pull DMA-style
> > behavior for high speed data transfers.  99.9% of the clustering 
> > stuff on Linux uses this model, so this requirement perhaps can be
> > restructured to be a better fit for Linux.
> 
> Well, to be frank, I'm only aware of my zoran driver (and the buz?)
> needing it. The only reason is that the ZR36120 framegrabber wants
> to load a complete field from a single DMA-base address. Needless
> to say TV frames are large in RGB24 mode, and going fast at that.
> So its just a deficiancy of the chip which made me use bigphys.
> 
> And yes, I tried a version (which is in the kernel) which must be compiled
> in, so it can find a large enough area to work with. The only problem is
> when the driver has a problem, one can not easily reload the module
> (but who am i telling, right? :) )
> 
> > Just having the patch in the kernel for bigphysarea support would solve
> > this issue if it could be structured into a form Alan finds acceptable.
> > Absent this, we need a workaround that's more tailored for the 
> > requirments for Linux apps.
> 
> Is there a solution than? As long as the hardware which needs it is
> not common good, Linus will oppose it (at least that's what I figured
> from his messages back in the old days.) Oh well, maybe his opinion
> has changed, one may hope :)
> 
>     Met vriendelijke groet,
>         Pauline Middelink


Having a 1 Gigabyte per second fat pipe that runs over a prallel bus 
fabric with a standard PCI card that costs @ $ 500 and can run LVS 
and TUX at high speeds would be for the common good, particularly since
NT and W2K both have implementations of Dolphin SCI that allow them 
to exploit this hardware.  

Jeff


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