Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:16:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:16:09 -0400 Received: from ip68-9-69-200.ri.ri.cox.net ([68.9.69.200]:47702 "EHLO mail.blue-labs.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8167A0.1080009@blue-labs.org> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:20:48 -0400 From: David Ford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020824 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: Linux Kernel List Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop References: <20020912211056.J4739@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4951 Lines: 118 Hrmm... Actually the URL indicates that your IP is not and should not be listed as a spammer now: Metric ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Qty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Most Recent ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oldest ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sample traffic: 116 8.22 hours ago Thu Sep 12 19:46:12 2002 GMT Thu Sep 12 15:46:12 2002 -0400 6.84 days ago Fri Sep 6 07:43:01 2002 GMT Fri Sep 6 03:43:01 2002 -0400 Trap recipients: None recorded Spam reports: 1 12.12 hours ago Thu Sep 12 15:52:19 2002 GMT Thu Sep 12 11:52:19 2002 -0400 12.12 hours ago Thu Sep 12 15:52:19 2002 GMT Thu Sep 12 11:52:19 2002 -0400 Relaying reports: None recorded Relay closed: None recorded 195.92.249.252 not listed in bl.spamcop.net. 195.92.249.252 *is not* and *should not be* listed. Recent spam increases spam score from 1.00 to 2.00 - spam report ratio (0.017) falls under threshold (0.020) It was listed and promptly delisted three hours later. No anti-spam measure is perfect, all have flaws and all are an inconvenience to some portion of users and admins. SpamCop is quite decent about fixing incorrect listings. Some people argue for proactive listing, some people demand 3 sets of proof before listing. Anti-spam measures are gonna make admins happy and annoyed depending on what side of the fence they are on when it hits. If it's affecting you negatively, it's an "idiotic measure", if it's affecting someone else instead, it's a "proactive and great idea". Some measures need evolving and tuning, caching, etc. I.e. my smtp call back mechanism that annoyed vger admins. Yes I need to cache data but as to the veracity of it being idiotic...doubtful. I measure greater than ~70% dead on accuracy in tagging spam which makes it pretty darn useful for my users with -only- smtp callback. It has false negatives but it hasn't yet had a false positive. Everyone gets irate when they are incorrectly blacklisted. Even more irate when major mail distributers agree with the BL site policies. In time tho things will get smoothed out. I/we mail admins feel the pain. Grit your teeth and bear it when these things happen. No person or method is perfect :) David Russell King wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to bring to peoples attention the idiotic situation going on >with the RBL list known as spamcop. > >spamcop have entered into their database the IP address for >www.linux.org.uk, which is a machine containing many mailing lists >and other facilities. www.linux.org.uk is NOT, repeat NOT an open >relay, and as far as I'm aware has never performed any open relaying. > >However, the basis under which it has been listed is that spamcop >received a mailman reponse to a message their tester sent to a valid >mailing list address. The mailman response was: > >"Subject: Your message to Linux-arm awaits moderator approval" > >Obviously, it didn't relay the spam, nor the test message. > > >If spamcop is accepting hosts with mailing lists that send responses >back to the person sending the original mail, any mailing list is open >to being listed in the spamcop database. > >My advice is: stay FAR away from spamcop. If you're using spamcop >on your mail server, remove it now before they cut you off from all >your mailing lists. > >Here's the URL explaining why www.linux.org.uk has been listed: > > http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=195.92.249.252 > >(Note: this does mean that some kernel people may not be able to >post messages for a while. Hence the vague relevance of this >message to lkml.) > > > -- I may have the information you need and I may choose only HTML. It's up to you. Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any email that you send me nor am I bound to any obligation to deal with any received email in any given fashion. If you send me spam or a virus, I may in whole or part send you 50,000 return copies of it. I may also publically announce any and all emails and post them to message boards, news sites, and even parody sites. I may also mark them up, cut and paste, print, and staple them to telephone poles for the enjoyment of people without internet access. This is not a confidential medium and your assumption that your email can or will be handled confidentially is akin to baring your backside, burying your head in the ground, and thinking nobody can see you butt nekkid and in plain view for miles away. Don't be a cluebert, buy one from K-mart today. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/