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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:07:00 +0200
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On Sunday 15 September 2002 20:06, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > 
> > Let's try a different show of hands: How many users would be happier if
> > they knew that kernel developers are using modern techniques to improve
> > the quality of the kernel?
> 
> You're all talk and no action.
> 
> The last time I looked, the people who really _do_ improve the quality of
> the kernel don't tend to care too much about debuggers, or are at least
> capable to add a patch on their own.

Oh sure.  So last week's page release race counts as no action, and htree
is not the fastest directory index in the known universe.  I could go on.
What I do not do is rub people's faces in every little thing I do.  Please
remember who found the last truncate race of the year, just before
2.4.0-prerelease.

> In fact, of the people who opened their mouth about the BUG() issue, how 
> many actually ended up personally _debugging_ the BUG() that we were 
> talking about?

I am personally working on a different problem.

> I did. Matt probably did. But I didn't see you fixing it with your
> debugger.

I am setting up the debugger to work on the DAC960.

> So next time you bring up the kernel debugger issue, show some code and 
> real improvement first. Until then, don't spout off.

You're shooting way wide of the target.

-- 
Daniel
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