Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:22:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:22:06 -0400 Received: from pc1-cwma1-5-cust128.swa.cable.ntl.com ([80.5.120.128]:37116 "EHLO irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:22:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 From: Alan Cox To: Larry McVoy Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020915165235.B17345@work.bitmover.com> References: <20020915190435.GA19821@nevyn.them.org> <20020915162412.A17345@work.bitmover.com> <20020915234108.GA1348@nevyn.them.org> <20020915165235.B17345@work.bitmover.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-7) Date: 16 Sep 2002 02:29:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1032139750.26911.20.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 29 On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 00:52, Larry McVoy wrote: > If your company has such a poor business model that they can't afford to > pay you enough to take the time to do a good job then find a different > place to work. No amount of debugger "help" is going to make up for a > lack of understanding. Maybe he works at a company with a good enough business model to realise that people who can't or won't use tools for pet high horse reasons are ineffeciencies that are best "downsized" either in ego or personnel count. "If you aren't going to spend the time to do the code right" Well DAC960 isn't his code. DAC960 hardware is also opaque. Its unfortunate you can't seperate the right and wrong way to use a debugger and what you learn from it. It's a tool nothing more. Its what you do with the data you get from it that matters. A debugger is a great way to make pigs apparently fly, but that isnt its only use Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/