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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] cpuidle: Add idle enter/exit time stamp for
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On 2013년 04월 02일 20:18, Daniel Lezcano wrote:

> On 04/02/2013 01:07 PM, jonghwa3.lee@samsung.com wrote:
>> On 2013년 04월 02일 19:08, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/02/2013 11:37 AM, jonghwa3.lee@samsung.com wrote:
>>>> On 2013년 04월 02일 16:34, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/02/2013 08:17 AM, jonghwa3.lee@samsung.com wrote:
>>>>>> On 2013년 04월 02일 14:00, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/01/2013 10:24 AM, Jonghwa Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>> This patch adds idle state time stamp to cpuidle device structure to
>>>>>>>> notify its current idle state. If last enter time is newer than last
>>>>>>>> exit time, then it means that the core is in idle now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jonghwa Lee <jonghwa3.lee@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The patch description does not explain what problem you want to solve,
>>>>>>> how to solve it and the patch itself shows nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you elaborate ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry for lacking description. I supplement more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This patch does add time-stamp for idle enter/exit only nothing more.
>>>>>> The reason why I needed them is that I wanted to know current cpu idle
>>>>>> state. It is hard to know whether cpu is in idle or not now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you looked at:
>>>>>
>>>>> include/linux/sched.h:extern int idle_cpu(int cpu);
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I did.
>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I check the cpuidle state usage, sometimes the information is wrong.
>>>>>> Because it is updated only when the cpu exits the idle state. So while the
>>>>>> cpu is idling, the cpuidle state usage holds past one. Therefore I put
>>>>>> the time-stamp for cpuidle enter/exit for checking current idling and
>>>>>> calculating idle state usage correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just make this patch temporary for my cpufreq governor work. So, it just
>>>>>> use time-stamp for all idle state together. After RFC working, I have a plan
>>>>>> to update this patch to use timestamp for each idle state.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest you look at the enter_idle / exit_idle function and make your
>>>>> governor to subscribe to the IDLE_START/EXIT notifiers.
>>>>>
>>>>> arch/x86/kernel/process.c
>>>>>
>>>>> These are defined for the x86 architecture, maybe worth to add it to
>>>>> another architecture.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I work on ARM architecture and I knew that the attempt of applying
>>>> idle notifier was failed. You probably knew it, because the link you gave me
>>>> before is that attempt. (https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/2/7/504) :)
>>>
>>> Yeah, now I recall this thread.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh my, I thought you gave the link but you didn't. It was Viresh Kumar from
>> other patch of the patchset. Sorry.
>>
>>>> Currently, there
>>>> is only notifying call which is for led in arch/arm/kernel/process.c and I think
>>>> it isn't for me to use. Anyway, Do you really think it is better way to use
>>>> notifier than my way? Because I think it is too heavy for me. On my board,
>>>> sometimes entering idle happened hundreds times during the 100ms. I don't want
>>>> to call notifier that much time. IMO, just moving local variable to per-cpu
>>>> variable for showing the enter/exit time looks better although it requires code
>>>> modification on cpudile side.  What do you think?
>>>
>>> Sorry, but it is hard to figure out what you are trying to achieve with
>>> a single patch.
>>>
>>> IIUC, you want to know how long the cpu is idle including the current
>>> state, right ? So you need to know if the cpu is idle and when it
>>> entered the idle state, correct ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>  
>>> If the cpu is idle and the information is per cpu, how will you read
>>> this value from another cpu without introducing a locking mechanism ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think it might be tolerated for incoherency of that data. Governor reads the
>> data only, and if recoded start time or end time are different in few usec with
>> real one then it doesn't effect to the result much.
>>
>>
>>> Does it mean the cpufreq governor needs cpuidle ? I am wondering if
>>> these informations shouldn't be retrieved from the scheduler, not from
>>> cpuidle.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, tick_sched per-cpu variable has all information that I need. But it isn't
>> global variable. And I'm afraid to change static variable to global one as my
>> pleases.
> 
> It is a global variable but there is a function to get access:
> 
> extern struct tick_sched *tick_get_tick_sched(int cpu);
> 
> Does it fit better for what you want to achieve ?


Yes, it seems exactly what I needed. I'll check it.
Thanks for your advice :)

Thanks,
Jonghwa.

> 
> Thanks
>   -- Daniel
> 
> 


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