Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932605Ab3DYOv5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:57 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41930 "EHLO userp1040.oracle.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756264Ab3DYOvz convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:55 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [PATCH] NFSv4: Use exponential backoff delay for NFS4_ERRDELAY From: Chuck Lever In-Reply-To: <20130425134918.GC31851@fieldses.org> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:42 -0400 Cc: "Myklebust, Trond" , David Wysochanski , Dave Chiluk , "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Message-Id: References: <1366836949-18465-1-git-send-email-chiluk@canonical.com> <1366838926.22397.25.camel@leira.trondhjem.org> <5178549A.7010402@canonical.com> <1366842905.22397.49.camel@leira.trondhjem.org> <1366892374.26249.294.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20130425132907.GB31851@fieldses.org> <1366896654.4719.18.camel@leira.trondhjem.org> <20130425134918.GC31851@fieldses.org> To: bfields@fieldses.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1901 Lines: 43 On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, bfields@fieldses.org wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:30:58PM +0000, Myklebust, Trond wrote: >> On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 09:29 -0400, bfields@fieldses.org wrote: >> >>> My position is that we simply have no idea what order of magnitude even >>> delay should be. And that in such a situation exponential backoff such >>> as implemented in the synchronous case seems the reasonable default as >>> it guarantees at worst doubling the delay while still bounding the >>> long-term average frequency of retries. >> >> So we start with a 15 second delay, and then go to 60 seconds? > > I agree that a server should normally be doing the wait on its own if > the wait would be on the order of an rpc round trip. > > So I'd be inclined to start with a delay that was an order of magnitude > or two more than a round trip. > > And I'd expect NFS isn't common on networks with 1-second latencies. > > So the 1/10 second we're using in the synchronous case sounds closer to > the right ballpark to me. The RPC layer already keeps RPC round trip statistics, so the client doesn't have to guess with a "one size fits all" number. I'm all for keeping client recovery time short. But after following this argument, I think 10xRTT is crazy short. Aggressive retransmits can lead to data corruption, and RTT on a fast server is going to be on the order of a millisecond. And what about RDMA, where RTT is about 20usecs? A better answer might be to start at one second then exponentially back off to the minimum of 0.25x the lease time and 0.25x the RPC retransmit time out. -- Chuck Lever chuck[dot]lever[at]oracle[dot]com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/