Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:33:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:33:54 -0400 Received: from ns.virtualhost.dk ([195.184.98.160]:37827 "EHLO virtualhost.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:33:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:38:17 +0200 From: Jens Axboe To: Alan Cox Cc: jbradford@dial.pipex.com, Linus Torvalds , jdickens@ameritech.net, mingo@elte.hu, jgarzik@pobox.com, kessler@us.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, saw@saw.sw.com.sg, rusty@rustcorp.com.au, richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com, andre@master.linux-ide.org Subject: Re: v2.6 vs v3.0 Message-ID: <20020929153817.GC1014@suse.de> References: <200209290716.g8T7GNwf000562@darkstar.example.net> <20020929091229.GA1014@suse.de> <1033311400.13001.5.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1033311400.13001.5.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2055 Lines: 46 On Sun, Sep 29 2002, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, 2002-09-29 at 10:12, Jens Axboe wrote: > > 2.5 is definitely desktop stable, so please test it if you can. Until > > recently there was a personal show stopper for me, the tasklist > > deadlock. Now 2.5 is happily running on my desktop as well. > > Its very hard to make that assessment when the audio layer still doesnt > work, most scsi drivers havent been ported, most other drivers are full > of 2.4 fixed problems and so on. I can only talk for myself, 2.5 works fine here on my boxes. Dunno what you mean about audio layer, emu10k works for me. SCSI drivers can be a real problem. Not the porting of them, most of that is _trivial_ and can be done as we enter 3.0-pre and people show up running that on hardware that actually needs to be ported. The worst bit is error handling, this I view as the only problem. Update of drivers to 2.4 level is mainly a matter of Dave (or someone else) resyncing his -dj tree and feeding it back to Linus. > Most of my boxes won't even run a 2.5 tree yet. I'm sure its hardly > unique. Middle of November we may begin to find out how solid the core > code actually is, as drivers get fixed up and also in the other > direction as we eliminate numerous crashes caused by "fixed in 2.4" bugs Well why don't they run with 2.5? Alan, I think you are a pessimist painting a much bleaker picture of 2.5 than it deserves. Sure lots of drivers may be broken still, I would be naive if I thought that this is all changed in time for oct 31. Most of these will not be fixed until people actually _use_ 2.5 (or 3.0-pre, or whatever it will be called), and that will not happen until Linus actually releases a -rc or similar. And so the fsck what? Noone expects 2.6-pre/3.0-pre to be perfect. I'm not worried. -- Jens Axboe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/