Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758076Ab3FEW4p (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:56:45 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177]:59490 "EHLO mail-ie0-f177.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757638Ab3FEW4n (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:56:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3619282.JgdgeGHudI@flatron> References: <3619282.JgdgeGHudI@flatron> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 23:56:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YG38DYAWMoJYI7A8-hdi4FoZCQI Message-ID: Subject: Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1)) From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton To: Tomasz Figa Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, "jonsmirl@gmail.com" , devicetree-discuss , Linux Kernel Mailing List , debian-arm@lists.debian.org, Linux on small ARM machines , debian-kernel@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1553 Lines: 32 [removing debian-release again - at their request] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Tomasz Figa wrote: > Allwinner has just reinvented a wheel, without even considering the fact > that it has been already invented. apologies, tomasz, but i believe i covered this issue in, again, my reply to russell, in which i point out that the both the context as well as the scope of the problem being solved is entirely different from that which the linux kernel developers find themselves in. also, we note from what russell said, was that device tree wasn't ready for commercial deployment; allwinner's developers don't speak english, and additionally a fabless semiconductor company need to maintain absolute commercial secrecy at the all-critical time when they're doing FPGA-based testing of their netlists (yes, really: running linux on a huge $250k's worth of FPGAs) and haven't yet put the design into actual silicon. so there's a lot of factors which i believe the linux kernel developers are not aware of, and haven't taken into account, and to place blame onto the SoC vendors for not working with *you* when *you* haven't made an effort to understand their situation is, i feel, not really helping anyone. not that i'm one to talk about understanding people, but hey... :) l. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/