Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753701Ab3FEXqQ (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 19:46:16 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com ([209.85.223.172]:53537 "EHLO mail-ie0-f172.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753039Ab3FEXqP (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 19:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31150421.hoVuV4C56M@flatron> References: <19865137.ey1FePPnmD@flatron> <31150421.hoVuV4C56M@flatron> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:46:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ihsKNlgfWfQd80NQYxaeoKpRxc Message-ID: Subject: Re: getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1)) From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton To: Tomasz Figa Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, "jonsmirl@gmail.com" , devicetree-discuss , Linux Kernel Mailing List , debian-arm@lists.debian.org, Linux on small ARM machines , debian-kernel@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2996 Lines: 61 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Tomasz Figa wrote: >> their sheer overwhelming success provides us with mass-volume >> ultra-low cost hardware. to not make an effort to accommodate them >> would in this specific instance be a huge missed opportunity, > OK, this is a large volume of hardware that can be used to run free > software, point taken. as it's a shorter URL by 200% than the original it refers to here's a link: http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2013-May/007532.html the key bit is a dec 2012 china visit by the author of that [insanely long, even by my standards] report, where he does a double-take, believing that he's mis-heard due to his poor understanding of chinese, and he *literally* goes into shock when he works out that he's been told that the 7in tablet being offered to him, even before "haggling", is $USD 35, and yet its specification neither blows nor sucks. with allwinner bringing out the A31, i really have absolutely no idea how any other company is going to compete in this market, except by adding extra value such as R.F. base-band and that's sewn up by mediatek. the only saving grace for the competition is that allwinner, due to their inexperience, bought the imgtec kool-aid and deployed PowerVR's latest SGX545MP2 offering [*1] > I don't say that having mainline support for this platform wouldn't be > nice. Sure, it would. But if the company doesn't want to cooperate and > comply to existing rules, I don't think it can be helped. they've got no idea that there *are* any - they don't speak english! (and the team has a manager who is a fucking dickhead, who amongst other things has been responsible for disobeying the Director's explicit instructions to be GPL-compliant as well as ordering the team's engineers to create a script that destroys Allwinner Copyright notices and replaces it with Copyright 2010-2017 reilllumatech.com, but that's another story that's being addressed) ok it's very late here tomasz, i'll read more of this tomorrow: i've started the discussion but i am actually completely overwhelmed so may have to leave it to people to get back to me with some options for proposals preferably by the beginning of next week (10th june) at the latest, to give allwinner an opportunity to go over this early. i'd greatly appreciate if people could run the gamut from one extreme to the other: ideas such as "why not put script.fex verbatim as a blob into a device-tree entry" all the way through to "why not rip script.fex out completely and convert everything to devicetree for them". l. [*1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-HCb55X_XU - 35 minutes in. libv talking about why for god's sake don't ever get involved with powervr. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/