Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752577Ab3FFR2Q (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:28:16 -0400 Received: from mail.free-electrons.com ([94.23.35.102]:44599 "EHLO mail.free-electrons.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751190Ab3FFR2P (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:28:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:28:10 +0200 From: Maxime Ripard To: Olof Johansson Cc: "jonsmirl@gmail.com" , devicetree-discuss , Stephen Warren , "luke.leighton" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , debian-arm , Linux on small ARM machines , ARM Linux Mailing List , debian-kernel Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1)) Message-ID: <20130606172810.GE14209@lukather> References: <51AFA6DD.3000202@wwwdotorg.org> <1370469574.18839.33.camel@localhost> <1370475609.20454.44.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2105 Lines: 42 Hi everyone, On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:00:00AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton wrote: > >> augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here? > > > > Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have > > Allwinner join Linaro and provide an engineer to the Linaro effort. > > That engineer will get educated on the right way to do kernel > > development and he can pass that knowledge back to Allwinner each day > > as he learns it. > > There's no need for anybody to join Linaro to contribute upstream. > That's a crazy notion. > > Listen, Allwinner isn't working in a vacuum, believe it or not. I've > talked to them, so has Arnd and other people working on ARM, including > Maxime Ripard, who's been reimplementing upstream support for their > platform. Everybody is interested in the right things happening, it's > just a matter of figuring out how to do it. The right people are > already talking. I should also add that Allwinner not only talked to us already, but also expressed interest in doing actual modern kernel development (like using "recently" introduced kernel frameworks, like the clk framework). I've received patches from them already for private reviews, they began to show up on the kernel mailing lists, they asked to be CCed on the patches I send upstream, they're even the one that reached out to me when the early support for their chips was released. So, like Olof said, they aren't in a vacuum, they are very aware of the mainline kernel and speak a decent english. So yes, Allwinner has an evil vendor tree (c), with a solution similar yet inferior (because not generic enough) to the device tree, but they show interest on going down the mainline road. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/