Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752803Ab3FGIGc (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:06:32 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com ([209.85.223.179]:33184 "EHLO mail-ie0-f179.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752043Ab3FGIGZ (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:06:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51B19046.5040401@gmail.com> References: <51AFA6DD.3000202@wwwdotorg.org> <1370469574.18839.33.camel@localhost> <1370475609.20454.44.camel@localhost> <1370477958.20454.68.camel@localhost> <51B085C6.3000605@gmail.com> <51B19046.5040401@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:06:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1)) From: "luke.leighton" To: Linux on small ARM machines Cc: debian-arm@lists.debian.org, devicetree-discuss , Linux Kernel Mailing List , ARM Linux Mailing List , debian-kernel@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1643 Lines: 43 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Vladimir Pantelic wrote: > luke.leighton wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Vladimir Pantelic >> wrote: >> >>> 4 days? WTF? since when did setting an ultimatum to the kernel >>> community work? >> >> >> i was only informed of the opportunity 2 days ago, vladimir. this is >> an important meeting. of course the linux kernel community is >> entirely free to: >> >> * completely ignore this opportunity >> * continue to complain that soc vendors do not follow their >> unilaterally-decided rules > > > SoC vendors are free to join the discussion, and many SoC vendors are part > of the kernel community, so calling this unilateral is plain wrong. you're free to believe that, vladimir. i've explained why that hasn't happened, in prior messages. can we move forward, please? > >> 3 days remaining on the clock. > > > what catastrophic thing will happen when the time runs out? no catastrophe, vladimir: all that happens is that an opportunity is lost, and the result of that is that the situation remains as it is, with a major soc vendor being divorced from and isolated from the free software community, who will continue to have to shoulder the frustrating and isolated burden of responsibility of reworking "over-the-fence" kernel patches as best they can with the limited resources that they have. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/