Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:22:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:21:37 -0400 Received: from s142-179-222-244.ab.hsia.telus.net ([142.179.222.244]:31989 "EHLO bluetooth.WNI.AD") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3D9DB44E.4090609@WirelessNetworksInc.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:31:26 -0600 From: Herman Oosthuysen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux Kernel Mailing List CC: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RAID backup References: <1033735943.31839.12.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20021004132419.GF710@gallifrey> <3D9DA67A.8050608@comedia.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 15:26:59.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B179F70:01C26BBA] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2950 Lines: 79 Howdy, The MTTF number is calculated during a process intended to identify weaknesses in the design of electronic equipment. Depending on how you model the failure modes and who's failure tables you use, the MTTF number will vary enormously. The important thing is not the number per se, but rather the quality review process associated with the calculation effort. Unfortunately, the MTTF number became a marketing fad, with the result that some companies will calculate it, without doing any quality reviews, purely for marketing purposes. There is no way to tell what they did. The MTTF number is consequently totally meaningless by itself. However, judging by my own experience, Maxtor drives are quite reliable and should last 3 years or more when in use and just about indefinitely when in storage. Self demagnetization used to be a problem of magnetic media and some components such as capacitors used to deteriorate with age, but I think that those problems have been solved decades ago, so equipment in clean and dry storage should last almost forever. The important thing to remember with disks and tapes is that they will eventually fail. When that will happen is anybody's guess, but you have to plan for the eventuality; you can't just sit on your hands and hope for the best and the backup measures that you implement, should be commensurate with the value of the data. Cheers, Herman http://www.AerospaceSoftware.com Luca Berra wrote: > Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote: > >> * Alan Cox (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) wrote: >> >>> The problem with disks is you still have to archive them somewhere, and >>> they are bulky. I also dont know what studies are available on the >>> degradation of stored disk media over time. >> >> >> >> Not sure about that; DLT tapes are pretty bulky themselves; I think the >> difference between say a set of 4 DLT tapes and a single Maxtor 320 in >> caddy would be minimal. As for stored media, I think Maxtor are quoting >> 1M hours MTTF - (I hate to think how you measure such a figure) - for >> the 320G, and that is probably longer than I'd trust either the tape or >> the drive to survive. > > > i DO seriously doubt that this figure includes removing the drive, > stuffing it in a siutcase or similar, loading on a truck/car/bike and > unloading at a remote site. > > Regards, > L. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Herman Oosthuysen B.Eng.(E), Member of IEEE Wireless Networks Inc. http://www.WirelessNetworksInc.com E-mail: Herman@WirelessNetworksInc.com Phone: 1.403.569-5687, Fax: 1.403.235-3964 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/