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From: Kanoalani Withington <kanoa@cfht.hawaii.edu>
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To: Illtud Daniel <illtud.daniel@llgc.org.uk>
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Illtud Daniel wrote:

>Effrem Norwood wrote:
>
>>In addition, HSM software costs
>>something (even if you write it yourself) on top of the tape infrastructure.
>>One customer of ours was quoted 40K per TB of HSM *software* alone.
>>
>
>I've got 25TB uncompressed of HSM here, and it's cost us (ex VAT)
>roughly:
>
>?10k for the first 1.6TB (on NT, DLT library)
>?18k for the next  6.0TB (on NT, LTO library)
>?45k for the next 18.0TB (on Solaris, LTO Library)
>
>...for the software licencing alone. Plus about 10% pa. in support
>costs.
>You're looking at about 50-60% of the library cost for the HSM software
>to manage it (tapes are another thing). Is HSM really that difficult?
>
>It really is a racket, but it's not so much compared with the
>cost of re-producing the data (mainly digitized collections).
>I'd be happier about it if they were more reliable (libs and s/w).
>Disk arrays, on the other hand, would cost us a fortune in
>upgrading the cooling - we've had to do this once just because of
>the 3-4 TB of online storage we've got, and adding huge exchangers
>(and associated pipes) isn't something I want to do much of.
>
I agree it's a total racket. I've spent an appalling amount of money on 
this stuff over the years considering how simple it is. Last year I 
finally built mtx, the open source tape library driver, and wrote my own 
software in tcl scripts for a new archiving system. It really is that 
simple, I don't know how they can charge so much for thier software, 
especially when some it is junk to begin with.

-Kanoa

>
>
>Oh, and having spent much of last night and this morning dealing
>with multiple SCSI disk failures, and having seen about 5% of
>ours fail in a year, I'm rapidly seeing the light on IDE.
>


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