Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>
To: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
cc: Gigi Duru <giduru@yahoo.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
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WHOOPS! Amen!

Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Mark Mielke wrote:

> You could always try examining the code for yourself and making a
> suggestion regarding inappropriate dependencies, or bloated
> dependencies. One of the problems you have here is... Linux 'hackers'
> are not trying to sell you an embedded solution. If anything, you
> are getting a freebie, and you should be gracious that you don't
> have to pay full price for a commercial solution...
> 
> Other members of the 'hacker computer' who work for companies that use
> Linux in their embedded product tend not to scream and complain. Instead,
> they roll up their sleeves and get to it...
> 
> One of the methods described above has a better chance of being effective.
> 
> Which one do you think that might be? :-)
> 
> mark
> 
> P.S. Linux 2.5 is a development kernel - the fact that is isn't polished
>      to your liking is not a surprise. It isn't polished to *many* peoples
>      likings, which is the primary reason that people such as myself have
>      not installed it.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 01:52:38PM -0700, Gigi Duru wrote:
> > Now thats some advice from a kernel hacker... You
> > really don't seem to care too much about embedded, do
> > you? 
> > 
> > It's not about what I do not do, it's about what YOU
> > do (I'm not talking to you personally, but to the
> > hacker community as a whole). The kernel core didn't
> > jump to 270KB compressed because I didn't do
> > something.
> > 
> > Let me reformulate for you:
> > * some years ago, (2.2 era) I was more than happy
> > about embedding Linux.
> > * along came 2.4, and things got fuzzy (should we move
> > on, or stick to the good ol' stuff?)
> > * now, 2.6 (or whatever) seems like a very bad choice
> > for us.
> > * I wonder about the next one (2.8/whatever): will it
> > require a mainframe to run?
> > 
> > It's the trend, you see: you were on the right track
> > but now you're loosing it. From the embedded point of
> > view, YOU ARE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
> > 
> > And don't give me the "use 2.2" advice. Stuff is being
> > back-ported, I know, but not all of it. 
> > 
> > Why are old versions being actively maintained anyway?
> > Isn't that a realization that those old versions are
> > better suited for some tasks than the new one? Why
> > would anyone choose to use 2.2? Because it serves him
> > better. 
> > 
> > Now, why is 2.2 serving someone better than 2.4?
> > That's something I'd like you to answer...
> > 
> > The beauty of Linux was it's scalability (I'm not
> > talking SMP here): you had the same kernel running on
> > the appliance, on the PC and on that mainframe. Things
> > were smooth, things were perfect. I would have loved
> > to preserve that...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Gigi 
> > 
> > --- Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well have a nice day and go pay for windriver
> > > licenses, or use the source
> > > to adopt to your needs, or hire somebody who can do
> > > it for you.
> > > Whinning will not help, doing will.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Andre Hedrick
> > > LAD Storage Consulting Group
> > > 
> > 
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