Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:39:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:39:09 -0400 Received: from pc1-cwma1-5-cust51.swa.cable.ntl.com ([80.5.120.51]:51697 "EHLO irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:39:08 -0400 Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux? From: Alan Cox To: "David S. Miller" Cc: giduru@yahoo.com, Andre Hedrick , Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20021005.212832.102579077.davem@redhat.com> References: <20021005205238.47023.qmail@web13201.mail.yahoo.com> <20021005.212832.102579077.davem@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 06 Oct 2002 17:53:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1033923206.21282.28.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1562 Lines: 39 On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 05:28, David S. Miller wrote: > Embedded applications tend to have issues which are entirely specific > to that embedded project. As such, those are things that do not > belong in a general purpose OS. 90% of the embedded Linux problem is not this. Its actually easy to get most of the embedded needs into the base kernel - in fact they overlap the other worlds a lot. Need low power consumption/resource usage - thats S/390 mainframe instances and ibm wristwatches. Need good cpu control - thats desktop/laptop and embedded Need good irq behaviour (pre-empt/low latency) - thats desktop/embedded and it carries on like that. No the big problem is that each embedded vendor is desperately trying to keep their changes out of the mainstream so they can screw each other. In doing so the main people they screw are all their customers. So if the embedded people want 2.6 to be good at embedded they need to get their heads out of their arses and contribute to the mainstream. Otherwise they'll always be chasing a moving ball, and a ball most people are kicking the other way down the field. Its a simple fact of line, if you stick you head up your backside all you get to do is eat shit (and yes there are some embedded people who do contribute but they are sadly a real minority) Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/