Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754653Ab3GOTFN (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:05:13 -0400 Received: from fieldses.org ([174.143.236.118]:42139 "EHLO fieldses.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754155Ab3GOTFL (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:05:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:05:05 -0400 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Sarah Sharp , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Message-ID: <20130715190505.GA3336@fieldses.org> References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) From: "J. Bruce Fields" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2857 Lines: 63 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:17:06AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Sarah Sharp > wrote: > > > > However, I am serious about this. Linus, you're one of the worst > > offenders when it comes to verbally abusing people and publicly tearing > > their emotions apart. > > Yes. And I do it partly (mostly) because it's who I am, and partly > because I honestly despise being subtle or "nice". "Nice", "subtle", and "polite" all seem mostly orthogonal to me. > The fact is, people need to know what my position on things are. And I > can't just say "please don't do that", because people won't listen. I > say "On the internet, nobody can hear you being subtle", and I mean > it. And "please don't do that" isn't very subtle. --b. > > And I definitely am not willing to string people along, either. I've > had that happen too - not telling people clearly enough that I don't > like their approach, they go on to re-architect something, and get > really upset when I am then not willing to take their work. > > Sarah, first off, I don't have that many tools at hand. Secondly, I > simply don't believe in being polite or politically correct. And you > can point at all those cultural factors where some cultures are not > happy with confrontation (and feel free to make it about gender too - > I think that's almost entirely cultural too). And please bring up > "cultural sensitivity" while at it. And I'll give you back that same > "cultural sensitivity". Please be sensitive to _my_ culture too. > > Google "management by perkele". > > Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority > compared to almost any other country. If you want to talk cultural > sensitivity, I'll join you. But my culture includes cursing. > > And some of the above is written tonge-in-cheek, but all of it is also > serious. I really fundamentally believe that being honest and open > about your emotions about core/process is good. And because it's damn > hard to read people over email, I think you need to be *more* honest > and *more* open over email. I'm generally nicer in person. Not always. > > And yes, I'll happily be part of the discussion at the KS. But I think > you also need to be aware that your "high horse" isn't necessarily all > that high. > > Linus > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/