Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758446Ab3GPARi (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:38 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:28177 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754110Ab3GPARg (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:36 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KtrPKBqN c=1 sm=0 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:17 a=Drc5e87SC40A:10 a=yDfxGvREtdsA:10 a=5SG0PmZfjMsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=meVymXHHAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=5Bi_wUEe0twA:10 a=Pn67Rk4ioemEYvVpBP4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 67.255.60.225 Message-ID: <1373933850.17876.224.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Steven Rostedt To: Guenter Roeck Cc: Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> References: <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1496 Lines: 37 On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 16:15 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > > One thing you should keep in mind in your discussion is what can happen > if people get too polite with each other. > > I have seen this happen at two large companies I worked for. Early on, flames > are acceptable and expected as response to someone publishing bad code which > breaks everything for everyone. Then, at some point, it is not acceptable > anymore to flame, and one is expected to be polite and friendly at all times. > "Your code breaks the build for every platform. Would you please kindly > consider fixing it ?" > Result is that code quality suffers, to the point where images don't even > build anymore. > > I hope the Linux kernel never gets into that stage. To avoid that, > I am willing to be cursed at by Linus if I am the responsible party. Didn't Jim Zemlin show some research where there were two groups: One that did a bunch of brain storming where no idea was a bad idea The other required you to defend your idea while the others bashed it. The results always showed that the second group not only did a better job, but also faster and more efficient. I'm afraid if we worry too much about politeness, we will fall into that first group. -- Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/