Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758258Ab3GPDPH (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:15:07 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:40101 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753764Ab3GPDPF (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:15:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:14:46 +1000 From: NeilBrown To: Steven Rostedt Cc: Guenter Roeck , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Message-ID: <20130716131446.373ec08b@notabene.brown> In-Reply-To: <1373933850.17876.224.camel@gandalf.local.home> References: <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> <1373933850.17876.224.camel@gandalf.local.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-suse-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/dcgH+FeLPmLkW7Zo9I2pApZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2988 Lines: 77 --Sig_/dcgH+FeLPmLkW7Zo9I2pApZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:30 -0400 Steven Rostedt wro= te: > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 16:15 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > > =20 > > One thing you should keep in mind in your discussion is what can happen > > if people get too polite with each other. > >=20 > > I have seen this happen at two large companies I worked for. Early on, = flames > > are acceptable and expected as response to someone publishing bad code = which > > breaks everything for everyone. Then, at some point, it is not acceptab= le > > anymore to flame, and one is expected to be polite and friendly at all = times. > > "Your code breaks the build for every platform. Would you please kindly > > consider fixing it ?" > > Result is that code quality suffers, to the point where images don't ev= en > > build anymore. > >=20 > > I hope the Linux kernel never gets into that stage. To avoid that, > > I am willing to be cursed at by Linus if I am the responsible party. >=20 > Didn't Jim Zemlin show some research where there were two groups: >=20 > One that did a bunch of brain storming where no idea was a bad idea >=20 > The other required you to defend your idea while the others bashed it. >=20 > The results always showed that the second group not only did a better > job, but also faster and more efficient. >=20 > I'm afraid if we worry too much about politeness, we will fall into that > first group. >=20 Surely there is an enormous difference between being required to defend your position against rational and forceful argument, and being required to defe= nd it against irrelevant name calling. NeilBrown --Sig_/dcgH+FeLPmLkW7Zo9I2pApZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBUeS6pjnsnt1WYoG5AQK/LxAAoVM01YCGBF/3nAx3OAdLpA8xBv2TGOjw DXOo7xco7S3XG1abirha8SxLKoXvSGIKVRGKM7kT3F2qGdtNskmim9fBYrblip7v aDJXqnJrk92UHl10Gma3qvQ34xspiFvMNEmLQQlJnqTiz4NzW5xMZSiqLsVhvU+8 zPpPD8RkJlBfYleKZiAql2omQ/CP3KSJieJwXVT2zffShGrjxaHADCn3MPdN5aiU tgduthto6rV06YUGt6M/86W4vFtQtdxfBMPt5XaKS0xdlfGCfHa8xtNkHoykxVAN hSelVizjSUilUdypkwmXz+rgMRnBu+/89vmiBm1aeKo68KHS+G2CqbUZhkk+UkfI 94Z4yLCc4Sc/LA53Eoca2c0K2PRPMFkaKEEEPsNNkaS5tKn5ITEqiycoAw8gm7lY Q5Da1DkGk8RVtm4j7622jLDYm6lqe5Yi07KAt/k98FDaVonkI6Y2gYzrhk+nv+EL beAbhuq018YC4ldhMLzoQUeTBpka5ZjtEX6vmIJsJIInNRZZ+UzeYIANqukMDRsf Np6KClKgmLTmvSMLlar281QhxLQYSglO3WhRsaSaJyPteSU0Ug16GASsKoiGjHRG CApaGZUnHUViq4jWC5cT5PtHEOsuYdmU06uCt6UIOKyR5DXpeFW50a9rME6jaUm3 +5kC6LkMLv0= =Owdf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/dcgH+FeLPmLkW7Zo9I2pApZ-- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/