Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752099Ab3GPGYR (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:24:17 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:52868 "EHLO out1-smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752022Ab3GPGYO (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:24:14 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: xocGOVnvmfLd9UUz5/N+ZUWxwBbBLtVg4yGPn7cjpgnr 1373955853 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:23:02 -0700 From: Greg KH To: Dave Airlie Cc: Ben Hutchings , Steven Rostedt , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] KS Topic request: Handling the Stable kernel, let's dump the cc: stable tag Message-ID: <20130716062302.GC19052@kroah.com> References: <1373916476.2748.69.camel@dabdike> <20130715214422.GA2478@kroah.com> <1373925699.17876.218.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130716000623.GB26261@kroah.com> <1373940594.17876.241.camel@gandalf.local.home> <1373942486.31067.122.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2261 Lines: 45 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:27:42PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 22:09 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > [...] > >> > > How important is the stable releases? Are maintainers willing to do a > >> > > little more work now to make sure their subsystems work fine in older > >> > > kernels? This isn't the same stable as it was 8 years ago. > >> > > >> > And that annoys the hell out of some Linux companies who feel that the > >> > stable kernels compete with them. So people working for those companies > >> > might not get as much help with doing any additional work for stable > >> > kernel releases (this is not just idle gossip, I've heard it directly > >> > from management's mouths.) > >> > >> Hmm, this is new to me. Really, I thought the whole point of the stable > >> releases was to help Linux companies. > > [...] > > > > I also heard some managers decided their kernel source packages should > > have all the patches squashed together to make them harder to cherry- > > pick... could it have been the same company? > > Greg loves to tell stories about RH management, but really if he can > find any engineer who works for RH that says he can't work on stable > due to being told by management, I'd be surprised. Maybe when stable > first surfaced there was a hope of it being close to RHEL, but at this > point stable has little to no usefulness from a RHEL point of view, > and since nearly all the RH employed maintainers all do stable work, I > can't see why Greg would think this matters. > > In fact Greg how much of stable queue does come from Red Hatters? I always separate RH managers from engineers in their doings because I know that one does not feel the same as the other. My point is, if I start asking developers to do more work for the stable trees, that has the potential to make people not like the stable trees more for resource issues, and I don't want to do that at all. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/