Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754569Ab3GPJ2m (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:28:42 -0400 Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.25]:64052 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754366Ab3GPJ2k (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:28:40 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 817 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:28:40 EDT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=FVK59BlewQzGAY8lscT3qLlXUvxBlmTV /yZL+Er1g8DKk5QhWgYfkL0CM7Y3uyUY5Dv2aLVL2v36cKXYlohLZq9vn540MKaZ 4Vz7MOKCsjgXSDImVgTsHRDclliAUWeqI0Ab9fL5O1aDjZTC98JVDZsUtlnKTW4T LYW1M69dKWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:14:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Olivier Galibert To: David Lang Cc: Sarah Sharp , Steven Rostedt , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 2E875174-EDF8-11E2-A225-9E6C0E5B5709-92059326!a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1626 Lines: 34 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM, David Lang wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Sarah Sharp wrote: > >> The people who want to work together in a civil manner should get >> together and create a "Kernel maintainer's code of conduct" that >> outlines what they expect from fellow kernel developers. The people who >> want to continue acting "unprofessionally" should document what >> behaviors set off their cursing streaks, so that others can avoid that >> behavior. Somewhere in the middle is the community behavior all >> developers can thrive in. > > > By defining your viewpoint as being "professional" and the other viewpoint > as being "unprofessional" you have already started using very loaded terms > and greatly reduces the probability of actually getting the other group to > agree and participate. Especially since you can very easily translate these terms into "American" and "non-American". The stereotypical american professionalism attitude is to be polite at the word choice level the best to hide a profund disrespect under them. There's no meaning taken into account, it's just keyword spotting. "Your code is crap" is considered unprofessional, while "Let's leverage my fifth grade nephew's capabilities to assist you in fixing the code" is perfectly professional, somehow. That's more often than not an unacceptable attitude in europe. OG. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/