Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932872Ab3GPPkS (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:40:18 -0400 Received: from mga02.intel.com ([134.134.136.20]:57702 "EHLO mga02.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932391Ab3GPPkP (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:40:15 -0400 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,677,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="346498435" Message-ID: <1373989215.12825.25.camel@envy.home> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review From: Darren Hart To: Willy Tarreau Cc: NeilBrown , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:40:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20130716061341.GD12242@1wt.eu> References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715191727.GC10157@1wt.eu> <20130716084036.41a9c498@notabene.brown> <20130716061341.GD12242@1wt.eu> Organization: Intel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.3 (3.8.3-2.fc19) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 37 On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 08:13 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: > It can seem counter-producting first (as Sarah thinks) but I think that > the competent people find their way in this simply because they're backed > up by other ones. That's how I think we get that number of skilled people > at the top of each subsystem. > Hi Will, I think you've made some excellent points and have done a good job relating the mostly digital interactions to more direct and tangible ones. You have postulated (I believe) that because we have top-quality maintainers (and I agree, we do), the process must be working. Perhaps that was my interpretation and not your intent, but others have voiced such opinions as well, so the following is still relevant. What that argument fails to take into account are the top-quality maintainers and contributors who are not present because of the sometimes caustic environment of Linux kernel development: "survivor's bias". There is a great article on the subject I read recently here: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2013/05/23/survivorship-bias/ -- Darren Hart Intel Open Source Technology Center Yocto Project - Linux Kernel -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/