Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934073Ab3GPV1c (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:27:32 -0400 Received: from li9-11.members.linode.com ([67.18.176.11]:38398 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933323Ab3GPV1b (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:27:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:27:04 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Olivier Galibert , David Lang , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau , stable , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Message-ID: <20130716212704.GB9371@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Ts'o , Sarah Sharp , Olivier Galibert , David Lang , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau , stable , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1547 Lines: 34 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:12:35PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: > "Your code is crap" is considered unprofessional, while > > "Let's leverage my fifth grade nephew's capabilities to assist you in > > fixing the code" is perfectly professional, somehow. That's more > > often than not an unacceptable attitude in europe. > > I *hate* both direct personal insults and indirect personal insults. > Neither should be acceptable in our community. What is a "direct personal insult" can be in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I don't consider "your code is crap" as a personal insult. "You are an incompetent programmer for producing this crap" would be a personal attack. Similarly, there is a difference between "That was an idiotic idea" and "You are an idiot". Now, there are certainly more {diplomatic, politically correct, choose-your-own-favorite-adjective} ways wording the description of a particularly bad idea or piece of code. But is that a "personal attack"? Keep in mind that there are some cultures where even pointing out a technical flaw in code might considered bringing deep shame on the engineer and their company. So how sensitive people are to criticism during an electronic exchange is always going to be highly culutrally and personally variable. - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/