Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934091Ab3GPWSx (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from 1wt.eu ([62.212.114.60]:34775 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933295Ab3GPWSv (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:18:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:18:21 +0200 From: Willy Tarreau To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Olivier Galibert , David Lang , Steven Rostedt , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Message-ID: <20130716221821.GB21611@1wt.eu> References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1624 Lines: 35 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:12:35PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: > I *hate* both direct personal insults and indirect personal insults. > Neither should be acceptable in our community. > > As I stated in an email to Rusty, what I'm objecting to here is not > kernel developers criticizing code. I'm objecting to personal attacks, > and developers directing personal verbal abuse towards each other. This > include all developers, not just Linus. Well, there are people like me who don't mind getting personally insulted but who are really pained when their work is criticized. You'd rather tell me I'm a fucking moron than all what I carefully designed, wrote and tested is pure crap. Probably that part of the reason is that I'm as I am and I'm not really responsible for this, so I don't care. Call me ugly if you want, why should I bother ? But if you tell me I did some crap, it's entirely my fault and that hurts a lot more. So you want criticism to change focus for good, but it will not necessarily achieve the result you're expecting. Maybe we can lose more talented people by telling them their work is pure crap because we did not understand it than telling them they're stupid and let them argument their choices. At least I don't claim to know which one is better, all I can say is that what we have right now works well enough in my opinion. Best regards, Willy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/