Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933867Ab3GPW4M (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:56:12 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:54101 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933387Ab3GPW4I (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:56:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:54:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Jiri Kosina X-X-Sender: jikos@twin.jikos.cz To: Stefano Stabellini , Sarah Sharp Cc: Steven Rostedt , "H. Peter Anvin" , Chris Ball , Darren Hart , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <1373932170.28142.24.camel@envy.home> <864nbv9qcm.fsf@void.printf.net> <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2822 Lines: 68 On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > I think that it's hurting Linux and in particular it's hurting > > > attracting new talents. > > > > Then why do we have the largest # of developers than any other Open > > Source project? > > Because Linux is the most widely used kernel, it's everywhere from > embedded devices to supercomputers. And that's because ... ? Yes, because the community has been very open since its very beginning (and this is not "being open about why I hate you personally", but this is "being open about what I think about your code"). Plus there is a *LOT* of humor and sarcasm in all that. Which just contributes to working on linux kernel being fun. I'd absolutely like to keep that spirit. If you guys now start telling others what is allowed and what is forbidden to say, you are going to destroy this completely. I don't want to be a part of a community where you have to read a legal code before you can speak without fear of being accused of verbal violence. This just doesn't fit into how people of my culture see the world; hence, I may even feel offended by Sarah's proposal (i.e. being very restrictive about what I am allowed to say), actually. I like openness, I like sarcasm, I like fun. Anyone who is trying to forbid this just doesn't fit into my culture. > > Honestly, I think LKML over the years has become more tame. Yeah, back > > in 2005 it was rather harsh, but I don't really see that anymore. I > > don't see the nasty flame wars going on. Everything seems to be focused > > more on the technical side, and there's really very little personal > > attacks out there. Sure, with 15,000 emails a month, you get a few. And > > Linus will get fed up and burst. But they are really few and far > > between. And sometimes, a Linus burst gets things moving along much > > faster than being "professional". You think ARM would have gotten their > > act together as quick as they did if Linus didn't curse them out and > > threaten to stop pulling their crap? > > I think there is a way to get the point across without cursing. Maybe there is, maybe there is not. I am not cursing in my e-mails, you are probably neither. Linus is. Others are. So what? He/they believe they achieves their goal through that mode of operation (and very often they indeed do), as so do we, through different means of communication. No need to change anything anywhere. Please let everyone express their feelings the way the believe it's best for achieving their goals, and do the same. -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/