Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750979Ab3GQBDq (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:03:46 -0400 Received: from ozlabs.org ([203.10.76.45]:52804 "EHLO ozlabs.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750824Ab3GQBDo (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:03:44 -0400 From: Rusty Russell To: Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds Cc: Willy Tarreau , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , "Rafael J. Wysocki" Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review In-Reply-To: <20130716210856.GF4994@xanatos> References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715191727.GC10157@1wt.eu> <8738rf14zl.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> <20130716210856.GF4994@xanatos> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.15.2+81~gd2c8818 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/23.4.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:44 +0930 Message-ID: <878v16yp57.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2035 Lines: 52 Sarah Sharp writes: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:22:14PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote: > Linus is complaining about code here, and the effects of merging bad > code on his own tree. I personally have no qualms with this type of > harsh email, because it focuses on the code, not the person. > > I do, however, object when the verbal abuse shifts from being directed > at code to being directed at *people*. For example, Linus chose to > curse at Mauro [2] and Rafael [3], rather than their code: > > > "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" This one crosses the line. There's no non-offensive way to tell a geek "you are wrong", but this isn't even trying. Bad Linus! > "How long have you been a maintainer? And you *still* haven't learnt the > first rule of kernel maintenance?" > > "Shut up, Mauro. And I don't _ever_ want to hear that kind of obvious > garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again. Seriously." > > "The fact that you then try to make *excuses* for breaking user space, > and blaming some external program that *used* to work, is just > shameful. It's not how we work." > > "Fix your f*cking "compliance tool", because it is obviously broken. > And fix your approach to kernel programming." ... > ...and I'm surprised to > hear that kind of utter garbage from you in particular." Linus repeats 5 times: you can tell he's upset. > "Seriously. Why do I even have to mention this? Why do I have to > explain this to somebody pretty much *every* f*cking merge window?" This one is OK, actually. So, I tried to rewrite Linus' email. And it lost the raw, red-hot anger of the original. It no longer makes everyone listen. It tempts one to argue. It is not as effective :( But suggesting alternate expressions might be constructive. Rusty. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/