Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751467Ab3GQCSl (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:18:41 -0400 Received: from shadbolt.e.decadent.org.uk ([88.96.1.126]:43793 "EHLO shadbolt.e.decadent.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751308Ab3GQCSj (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1374027494.2537.47.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Ben Hutchings To: "Theodore Ts'o" , Linus Torvalds Cc: Sarah Sharp , David Lang , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Ingo Molnar , Olivier Galibert , stable , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 03:18:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20130716235008.GC9371@thunk.org> References: <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> <20130716212704.GB9371@thunk.org> <20130716224357.GK4994@xanatos> <20130716235008.GC9371@thunk.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-I61sTa1hdPU7vQSUzYju" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.4.101 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: ben@decadent.org.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shadbolt.decadent.org.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2903 Lines: 72 --=-I61sTa1hdPU7vQSUzYju Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 19:50 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 03:43:57PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: [...] > > > Keep in mind that there are some cultures where even pointing out a > > > technical flaw in code might considered bringing deep shame on the > > > engineer and their company. So how sensitive people are to criticism > > > during an electronic exchange is always going to be highly culutrally > > > and personally variable. > >=20 > > Yes, that's true. Some kernel developers are better at moderating thei= r > > comments and tone towards individuals who are "sensitive". =20 >=20 > ... and actually, I think it's actually quite difficult to find cases > where Linus has used a very harsh tone towards someone who would be > "sensitive". [...] Someone wrote on debian-private a little while back that 'I will not work on anything Linus might be involved in', and in a later mail linked to this example of abuse: http://mark.dreamwidth.org/22320.html Honestly, if I had seen newbies being treated that way before I was involved, I may well have made the same resolution. As it happens, when I made a quite basic mistake in the format one of my first patches back in 1999, Linus was entirely polite in correcting me. In fact, even in the pull request that's referenced here, Linus, you were polite but firm in your first two responses. When you're perfectly capable of doing that, why spoil it by adding insults? Ben. --=20 Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. --=-I61sTa1hdPU7vQSUzYju Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAUeX+5ue/yOyVhhEJAQqKZw//QRhX3Wm4MPZ7UVnalOcTpRY+OC+hX2Fw 1z06eplCyNz0vDyIIEPIc6fgZMVReynnUv63RHvLA8KpUWtfeCzOsHLDl3/AgYI4 TIFXfWPyLv2Nqb3TgI+xj6JPBvsygzR9LpYNXA5CsmeOybzooiU4dMH1DV2zYNsd fmLpa1Od7hG4H5mbEEEISKlKgzAwUsV53R9DOwP2QbIWf4V+sYwFJ1z7aHD/epCt jlGI2mdfuS0/OYlqbCZjGIz1lDkmVIIFlsI7Roo9oKyryFnJax98zhc3CL4FVig+ DyNowSHIa8zVZeFwnWQ/rZBfbews1aRZAMe7+vPzWLSioa5d+pZFGKZSBVd76f7w S89FcDYwdQV+DrmbXhOe058Ef3fe7BYM3dJytRiHjvlRGiumTxcErFF6dQuAmjf1 ZLpEAziOFNdHLfC2WcmjdR8IIlhaPZGXRXBbCL16AdaSsE8wb5gnpoE7hkdo4f4j 9YWUrMaYx6Mr2NVfeAztsJSVRe7Mt75lHiPKdQyg/2OLMxf/HDXsUwuzxHMgfhNW bEp6KImFzFYaVDgWjMnalxisDxyOuG0iEG78aIGfHE9s4g4qqrNuHROLlyxTc4nw CR5ug//BgCf5xreQI9aFMFfQ17gJVVd6bWGZcIJl1lHq/h3sitxv61wppCCQs1Wg Kj/5jJgichs= =jj4D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-I61sTa1hdPU7vQSUzYju-- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/