Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753284Ab3GQJRm (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:17:42 -0400 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com ([66.165.176.63]:55755 "EHLO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753105Ab3GQJRi (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:17:38 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,683,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="35657655" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:17:25 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: "H. Peter Anvin" CC: Stefano Stabellini , Steven Rostedt , Chris Ball , Darren Hart , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , , Willy Tarreau Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML In-Reply-To: <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> Message-ID: References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <1373932170.28142.24.camel@envy.home> <864nbv9qcm.fsf@void.printf.net> <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2143 Lines: 46 On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > On 07/16/2013 09:58 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > Because Linux is the most widely used kernel, it's everywhere from > > embedded devices to supercomputers. > > Many different companies make a business on Linux and pay people to work > > on it (not FreeBSD or NetBSD). But that's different from what I was > > saying below. Also not all the sub-groups within the kernel development > > circles work this way. > > > > I think you have an inverse causal relationship here. > > Linux took off in a way that the other OSS operating systems didn't, and > several of them had started earlier and with way more funding available. > > You really have to think about why we are not running Hurd, or any of > the various *BSDs, and instead Linus' "not big and professional like > GNU" hack. In my opinion it was because the Linux community was in fact > the most open and welcoming of the Open Source communities around. Then it's the time to ask ourselves: is it still like this? > > When HPA wrote "I find it utterly impossible to be offended by it", that > > might be true for Linus' rants and I also find them humorous sometimes. > > But unfortunately this kind of behavior is by no means limited to Linus > > and it's easy to misunderstand, especially when you don't know the > > person. > > There seem to be a fair number of people who think they can imitate > Linus' style but do so without understanding the subtle aspects about > how to apply it. Right, this is actually the main point I wanted to make. Linus' outbursts are not the problem per se because Linus tends to attack the code rather than the people and does so when he has a point, without straying from the conversation. However they set up an example that others try to imitate, without the same thoughtfulness. I guess this is the price to pay for being a role model ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/