Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933276Ab3GQR3F (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:29:05 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:26244 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932851Ab3GQR3B (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:29:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=e9yEuNV/ c=1 sm=0 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:17 a=Drc5e87SC40A:10 a=QIZFyTDxVIcA:10 a=5SG0PmZfjMsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=meVymXHHAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=WKn5AdJQQDgA:10 a=KzgD0-29011-Vl7_-1IA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 67.255.60.225 Message-ID: <1374082139.6458.159.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML From: Steven Rostedt To: Stefano Stabellini Cc: Sarah Sharp , CAI Qian , David Lang , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Olivier Galibert , stable , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:28:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> <20130716212704.GB9371@thunk.org> <20130716224357.GK4994@xanatos> <1374015299.6458.76.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130716231217.GL4994@xanatos> <51E5D7C8.5000306@gmail.com> <1374018809.2249.29.camel@leira.trondhjem.org> <1000066089.1803398.1374046596236.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <20130717144849.GB16513@xanatos> <1374073771.6458.143.camel@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1814 Lines: 40 On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 18:00 +0100, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > The last thing I want to do is to lower the quality of the kernel just > > to get a wider range of developers. > > Can we stop bringing the quality of the code into the discussion? > > I think it's pretty clear that one doesn't need to be verbally abusive > in order to stop bad code from getting into the kernel. Matters what you definition of verbally abusive is. Can I say "your code is crap!"? I've done that before, and the person I said it to asked me to explain why it was crap, and I went into detail to why I called it crap and still think it was crap. But I'm not even one to insult people, as that's not my personality. Well, maybe I've called people "idiot" before. But that usually comes with someone sticking to an idea when all evidence proves otherwise. Although I'm one of the tame ones on LKML, I still want to reserve my right to be able to call someone an idiot, if someone is making stupid ideas and constantly ignores facts that are being presented to them. Anyway, as I've said several times. Is there a problem here? Besides the few outbursts from Linus, is there other examples on LKML within the last year where it is an abusive environment? From what I see, it is becoming more mellow, and people have been making efforts to listen to each other. The trend on LKML is going in the right direction, so I'm a bit curious to why we need to make such an issue of this. Is it just to make Linus lower his tone a bit? -- Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/