Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756946Ab3GQTH5 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:07:57 -0400 Received: from mail.lang.hm ([64.81.33.126]:49887 "EHLO bifrost.lang.hm" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754148Ab3GQTHz (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:07:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Sarah Sharp cc: Steven Rostedt , CAI Qian , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Olivier Galibert , stable , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML In-Reply-To: <20130717185138.GC17906@xanatos> Message-ID: References: <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> <20130716212704.GB9371@thunk.org> <20130716224357.GK4994@xanatos> <1374015299.6458.76.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130716231217.GL4994@xanatos> <51E5D7C8.5000306@gmail.com> <1374018809.2249.29.camel@leira.trondhjem.org> <1000066089.1803398.1374046596236.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <20130717144849.GB16513@xanatos> <1374073771.6458.143.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130717185138.GC17906@xanatos> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2548 Lines: 51 On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Sarah Sharp wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:09:31AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 07:48 -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: >> >>>> Does that sound like there are not going to have enough direct/thick skin >>>> new kernel developers around to maintain the future Linux community? Maybe >>>> just need a better pipeline for people comfortable for this culture? >>> >>> No, we don't need a better pipeline for people who can "put up with >>> shit". We need a better pipeline for people who can work together >>> civilly, and still get shit done. >>> >>> I'm working on getting a pipeline of women into kernel development, >>> through the FOSS Outreach Program for Women. They slowly get introduced >>> to Linux development culture, starting with a very friendly separate >>> mailing list and IRC channel, and finally moving to work with a kernel >>> mentor on a bigger project on the main Linux kernel development lists. >>> We have seven women participating this round, and I suspect we'll have >>> even more the next round. >>> >>> So deal with it. You're going to have a lot more women in the kernel >>> community, and not all of them will be willing to put up with verbal >>> abuse. If you want to attract top talent that also happen to be women >>> or racial minorities, the verbal abuse needs to stop. >>> >> >> I have to ask. How much verbal abuse have you received in LKML? And I >> don't mean in this thread. > > I assume you also want me to exclude the verbal abuse and personal > threats I've received via email and my blog because of this thread. > But, just for reference, I'll post them here as well. Not that I am in any way defending these posts, but does the behavior of outsiders like this in other forums really reflect the LKML attitude? Or does it reflect the fact that there are a lot of people out there who you really do not want to deal with (no matter what the topic) Just about any topic that you take a firm stand on (anything other than pure status-quo), and your stand gets out to as many people as have heard about this thread, is going to generate a LOT of offensive and irrational hate messages. Linus talked about the ongoing abuse he receives earlier in the thread, so it's not just people attacking you. David Lang -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/