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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:29:19 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML
From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Sarah Sharp
<sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 07:42:44PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:56:16PM +0100, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>>
>> > Abuse is never justified, I hope that's clear for everybody.
>>
>> Depends on details of your definition of abuse.
>>
>> > So we are down to the definition of verbal abuse.
>> > The Oxford dictionary gives me:
>> >
>> > "speak to (someone) in an insulting and offensive way"
>>
>> Insufficient details to tell if the statement above is correct.
>> Insulting and offensive to *whom*?
>
> It's not helpful to look at a dictionary definition of verbal abuse,
> because it's much too short.
>
> Here's a much longer description of verbally abusive behaviors:
>
> http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/VerbalAbuse.html

That definition starts with this:

"Any kind of repeated pattern of inappropriate, derogatory or
threatening speech directed at one individual by another."

The key word being *REPEATED*. I don't see Linus *repeatedly*
insulting Mauro (or any other developer), under that definition, it's
not verbal abuse.

I don't like that definition, but even in that one your claim doesn't stand.

-- 
Felipe Contreras
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