Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758942Ab3GRNXm (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:23:42 -0400 Received: from li9-11.members.linode.com ([67.18.176.11]:38931 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757344Ab3GRNXk (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:23:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:23:27 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: CAI Qian Cc: Steven Rostedt , Thomas Gleixner , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Message-ID: <20130718132327.GB30405@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Ts'o , CAI Qian , Steven Rostedt , Thomas Gleixner , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <1368728064.2419741.1374117402465.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2317 Lines: 49 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:01:18AM -0400, CAI Qian wrote: > > > Could victim be someone else in the future since it is an example that > > > people may follow? Is Nik Wallenda an abuser because he walked across the Grand Canyon on a tightrope without a safety net, and that's an example that other people might follow (and fail at)? Seriously, the argument that someone are responsible for the actions and decisions of others is a pretty weak one. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi_underage_prostitution_charges > > > It called "abuse of office" or abuse of the power. > > > > Wow! You are now comparing Linus to a Prime Minister that has paid > > underage prostitutes for sex? > I apologize that this leads to misunderstanding. It was just happened to > read the news that underage child does not feel like she is a victim > either while the law still think that is an abuse. Please show us the law which states that the language a coach might use to his team players is "abuse". And I think one of the big differences here is that there is a gargantuan power differential between the Italian Prime Minister and an underage prostitute. The power differential between Linus and his top subsystem maintainers? Not so much. Linus does not have hiring and firing power over us, and since he works at a non-profit which doesn't have stock options or a profit sharing agreement, he may be making less money than compared to some of his top lieutenants. So I'd suggest that people who are flinging around words like "abuse" stop. It's not helping your case, because it's not an accurate description of what's going on. Even if you believe that it really is abuse, from a tactical point of view, do you think telling subsystem maintainers (who have maintained that they do not feel personally attack, and do not feel abused), that they are too stupid to realize that they are really hapless victims is likely to make them listen to your point of view? There are much stronger arguments that can be made for more "civility". Regards, - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/