Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759493Ab3GSGDw (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 02:03:52 -0400 Received: from e37.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.158]:42669 "EHLO e37.co.us.ibm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752913Ab3GSGDu (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 02:03:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:03:43 -0700 From: "Paul E. McKenney" To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , stable , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Message-ID: <20130719060343.GA16774@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com References: <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <1373999229.2148.87.camel@dabdike> <20130716211830.GX16780@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1374041689.2036.14.camel@dabdike.svoaero.ru> <1374112865.19894.493.camel@pasglop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1374112865.19894.493.camel@pasglop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-TM-AS-MML: No X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 13071906-7408-0000-0000-000012285E6C Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1766 Lines: 37 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:01:05PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 10:14 +0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > > OK, I am stupid enough to take a stab at this... > > > > > > 1. Does the Linux kernel community's health depend on the occasional > > > rant? [My guess is that we simply have no way of knowing. > > > That said, I would be interested in hearing specific examples > > > of open-source communities that are as doing as well as is the > > > Linux community and that live within stricter social mores. > > > Cue arguments about exactly what "doing well" means...] > > My little personal opinion (that nobody probably cares about :-) is that > the occasional Linus rant is a good thing. It keeps people like me in > check :-) > > More seriously, the rant when I screw up is generally deserved, and the > "idea" of the possible rant (I prefer not using threat) is actually a > strong motivator to get things right. > > Ie. It's a *very good* barrier against maintainers sliding into > sloppyness. Really, it works. At least with me. > > It's easy to take things a bit too much for granted, especially when you > maintain your own little corner of the world. Agreed! Though I must confess that I have shifted from being mostly worried about people yelling at me to being mostly worried about my own code yelling at me. Either way, I do find that being worried about some consequence or another does help me get a better result. Thanx, Paul -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/