Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965508Ab3GSKfv (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:35:51 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:43306 "EHLO mail-ea0-f170.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965089Ab3GSKfr (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:35:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:35:43 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Linus Torvalds , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , "Hohndel, Dirk" Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Message-ID: <20130719103542.GB26716@gmail.com> References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130718154814.GA5440@xanatos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130718154814.GA5440@xanatos> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1882 Lines: 49 * Sarah Sharp wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:42:16AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > If you can point me to a single instance of Linus "abusing" someone > > who is not one of his trusted persons, who really should be able to > > deal with that, or someone who did not provoke him to go into rant > > mode, then I'm all on your side. > > Not that I think this link will sway you, and this thread *should* > really die down so we can discuss this at KS instead: > > https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 > > "So here's a plea: if you have anything to do with security in a distro, > and think that my kids (replace "my kids" with "sales people on the > road" if you think your main customers are businesses) need to have the > root password to access some wireless network, or to be able to print > out a paper, or to change the date-and-time settings, please just kill > yourself now. The world will be a better place." > > Linus asked someone to go kill themselves. [...] No, he did not. He, as he declared it in the first stentences of his post, was venting and cursing: Venting. I don't think I can talk about "security" people without cursing, so you might want to avert your eyes now. I'm, as the author of several security patches, partly a distro "security person" too, and I was not offended, I took away the message from Linus: don't "fix" perceived security threats by cumbersome security measures, because users will address that by creating even larger security threats: http://www.merseyworld.com/precinct/Apr99/prec8.html Thanks, Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/