Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754025Ab3GTMfz (ORCPT ); Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:35:55 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:64247 "EHLO mail-la0-f41.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753090Ab3GTMfw (ORCPT ); Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:35:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> <20130717144043.GA16513@xanatos> <20130719120841.GH26716@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 07:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML From: Felipe Contreras To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Ingo Molnar , Sarah Sharp , Stefano Stabellini , "H. Peter Anvin" , Steven Rostedt , Chris Ball , Darren Hart , Linus Torvalds , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2017 Lines: 46 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote: >>> >>> * Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >>>> As Linus already pointed out, not everybody has to work with everybody. >>> >>> That's not the point though, the point is to potentially roughly double >>> the creative brain capacity of the Linux kernel project. >> >> Unfortunately that's impossible; we all know there aren't as many >> women programmers as there are men. So there's absolutely *nothing* >> the Linux kernel can do to double the creative brain capacity of the >> Linux kernel project (at least with respect to women). > > There may be less women programmers than men programmers, but that > doesn't say anything about the ratio of female Linux kernel hackers vs. > female programmers. I think it does, because Linux kernel programmers is a subset of programmers; the very best and very low-level. Unless women programmers are disproportionately biased towards low-level, and they are significantly better than their male counterparts, I wouldn't be holding my breath. The best case scenario is that we are equal in that regard, in which case you probably would expect to double or triple the number of female programmers in Linux thanks to outreach programs, but certainly not match the amount of male ones. > So let's hope we can prove you wrong soon ;-) I think you need more than "hope" to change one of the fundamental rules of LKML; be open and honest, even if that means expressing your opinion in a way that others might consider offensive and colorful. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/