Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932486Ab3GVK4A (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:56:00 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]:38319 "EHLO mail-ea0-f182.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932386Ab3GVKzz (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:55:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:55:51 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Linus Torvalds , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , Rusty Russell Subject: Re: mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Message-ID: <20130722105551.GB2098@gmail.com> References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <20130718103907.GC23558@gmail.com> <20130718160754.GC5440@xanatos> <20130719092256.GC25784@gmail.com> <20130719190127.GA12990@xanatos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130719190127.GA12990@xanatos> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2806 Lines: 66 * Sarah Sharp wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22:56AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > * Sarah Sharp wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:39:07PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > > > > > * Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sarah Sharp > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, FFS, I just called out on private email for "playing the victim > > > > > > card". I will repeat: this is not just about me, or other minorities. > > > > > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists. > > > > > > Professional behavior should be the default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm > > > > > not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The > > > > > same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to > > > > > buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and > > > > > backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because > > > > > THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all > > > > > kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their > > > > > normal urges in unnatural ways. > > > > > > > > Sarah, that's a pretty potent argument by Linus, that "acting > > > > professionally" risks replacing a raw but honest culture with a > > > > polished but dishonest culture - which is harmful to developing > > > > good technology. > > > > > > > > That's a valid concern. What's your reply to that argument? > > > > > > I don't feel the need to comment, because I feel it's a straw man > > > argument. I feel that way because I disagree with the definition of > > > professionalism that people have been pushing. > > > > I hope you won't take this as a sign of disrespect, but it's hard to keep > > up with your somewhat fluid opinion about what exactly you find > > objectionable :-/ > > The good news is you're confused because I've been influenced by some of > the arguments people have made on this thread. As a result, my > viewpoints may have changed subtly, [...] It's nice to see such flexiblity! Thanks for the very detailed description of your opinion, it's a very constructive approach. My opinion is flexible and subject to change as well - and I agree that this is better discussed at the KS. Thanks, Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/