Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933494Ab3GVVCK (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:02:10 -0400 Received: from mga03.intel.com ([143.182.124.21]:2571 "EHLO mga03.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932316Ab3GVVCF convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:02:05 -0400 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,721,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="271743546" From: "Luck, Tony" To: Daniel Phillips , Sarah Sharp CC: CAI Qian , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , "Linux Kernel Mailing List" , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org" , stable , Thomas Gleixner , "Linus Torvalds" , Ingo Molnar Subject: RE: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Thread-Topic: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Thread-Index: Ac6FkRCi2Tdm8oY21UqxedGgWd0Q/gBb+UEg Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F31C98E12@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <1368728064.2419741.1374117402465.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <20130718132327.GB30405@thunk.org> <20130718133008.GC30405@thunk.org> <20130718155428.GB5440@xanatos> <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA4D@sisaex01sj> In-Reply-To: <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA4D@sisaex01sj> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.22.254.140] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2670 Lines: 47 On 07/18/2013 03:54 PM, Sarah Sharp wrote: > Let's shift this discussion away from the terms "abuse" and > "professionalism" to "respect" and "civility". And Daniel Philips replied: > Brilliant, and +1 for a session at KS. In the mean time, why don't we > all try to demonstrate the real meaning of respect and civility, by > practising it henceforth on LKML +1 from me too. Using the right terms will help us have a discussion that focusses on the issues that matter - and avoid getting side-tracked by things that don't. Some thoughts on the format of the discussion at KS: 1) Keep it real We could come up with hypothetical scenarios on what things people *might* say, and how you *might* react and talk for days. Let's stick to things that actually happened. (people's feelings/emotions on seeing specific posts count as "actually happened" for this - even if they didn't post a reply ... perhaps especially if they didn't post). 2) Keep it personal An extension of keeping it real - none of us represents the thoughts and opinions of *every* other developer with whom we share some attribute. Sarah doesn't speak for all young cool programmers any more than I speak for all old uncool ones :-). So stick to your own stories, or those of specific people that can't be at KS but ask for their tales to be told. [Not sure how well I expressed this one ... I'm trying to avoid the issue where someone gets fired up with indignation on behalf of someone else ... who isn't actually bothered by whatever happened]. 3) Don't bring up ancient history From the discussions on this, it looks like many people believe that things are better than they were just a few years ago. Unless someone has the desire to do some month-by-month survey and disproves this perception - let's pretend we have a one or two year statute of limitations and not keep feuds going for (internet) generations. 4) Perfect is the enemy of good Or "You can't please all of the people all of the time". No matter what we do there will still be some unhappy people. Life is like that. But we can almost certainly make more of the people happier for most of the time. So our goal isn't to solve every possible problem (we need to save some topics for future KS :-) we just want to make things better than they are, while still allowing for criticism of code. -Tony -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/