Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:11:05 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:11:04 -0400 Received: from h52544c185a20.ne.client2.attbi.com ([24.147.42.69]:16770 "EHLO luna.pizzashack.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:11:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:16:48 -0400 From: "Derek D. Martin" To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Message-ID: <20021010041647.GO2753@pizzashack.org> Mail-Followup-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20021005112552.A9032@work.bitmover.com> <20021007001137.A6352@elf.ucw.cz> <5.1.0.14.2.20021007204830.00b8b460@pop.gmx.net> <20021007143134.V14596@work.bitmover.com> <20021009165500.L27050@work.bitmover.com> <20021010035000.GD8805@mark.mielke.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp" In-Reply-To: <20021010035000.GD8805@mark.mielke.cc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2491 Lines: 54 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Mark Mielke hath spake thusly: > Hardware costs are nothing really. The true killer with ClearCase is > the support costs. Not only do you need several full time people to > deal with user problems, you need several full time people to > customize your solution such that it meets your needs, several full > time people to baby the servers, and a whole management structure on > top to ensure that the full time people talk to each other, and the > actual users. I'd have to disagree... though it probably depends on your environment a great deal, and possibly how braindead your development team and/or your sysadmin team is. At a previous job, I was one of two system administrators that supported ClearCase in our Solaris environment for about 100 engineers. That is, there were two of us, and I never touched it. My coworker spent maybe an hour a week on it, discounting time spent migrating to new hardware and a new config when our environment changed (drastically). I think that, like most applications that aren't inherently broken, once you have it set up PROPERLY for your environment, it doesn't require much maintenance. Nor should it. OTOH like I said, I didn't touch it, so for all I know it could have been a horrid mess that the developers just weren't inclined to complain about. But I tend to doubt that... Oh, and we never really saw our manager much... ;-) Actually most of the time, the engineers appreciated that. For the most part, when they had problems, they just came to us directly, and we took care of them. The only time management got involved was when each of our visions of how things were supposed to work were miles apart, and we each felt strongly about our own vision. It was, in many ways, an ideal job. Unfortunately, as in most cases, circumstances change... I have no comment about whether or not BK is evil... ;-) - -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9pP8vdjdlQoHP510RAjFyAKC+LnSfXgaju5u0ujc+ZRgoLZcgwwCff3hU jiGSLgbERQ2QALdx4MRO4CI= =hfSD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/