Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752209Ab3G0FE0 (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:04:26 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]:33651 "EHLO mail-ea0-f171.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751554Ab3G0FEX (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:04:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:04:08 +0200 From: Richard Cochran To: Olof Johansson Cc: Mark Brown , Mark Rutland , "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Russell King - ARM Linux , Ian Campbell , Pawel Moll , Stephen Warren , Domenico Andreoli , "rob.herring@calxeda.com" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Jason Gunthorpe , Dave P Martin , "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?] Message-ID: <20130727050406.GB4221@netboy> References: <20130725175702.GC22291@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <51F168FC.9070906@wwwdotorg.org> <20130725182920.GA24955@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <20130725184834.GA8296@netboy> <20130725213753.GC17616@obsidianresearch.com> <20130726080115.GA5436@netboy> <1374831744.2923.42.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20130726130927.GC4219@netboy> <20130726141016.GF9858@sirena.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1181 Lines: 33 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:49:43AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote: > > Long term, final goal is likely to be close to what Russell is saying Why is this a long term goal? Start today. > -- nothing should go into the kernel tree unless the binding is in a > fully stable state. However, we have a transitional period between now > and then, and even when we're at the final state there will be need to > have some sort of sandbox for development and test of future bindings. Why not just set up a git tree right away? > Dealing with all that, as well as the actual process for locking in > bindings, is what needs to be sorted out. > > I think we're all in agreement that bindings that change over time are > nothing but pain, but we're arguing that in circles anyway. No. I keep saying, the bindings must be stable ABI, *today*. You keep saying, maybe later, but until then we will make things up as we go along. Thanks, Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/