Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:53:01 +0200
From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device
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On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:15:24AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 06:54:33AM +0200, Richard Cochran wrote:
> > I too work on commercial embedded systems, and DT has proven to be
> > one gigantic *PITA*.
> 
> Why do you think our experiences are so different?

Here are a few recent examples:

* What happens when one wants to boot vanilla kernel on the beaglebone?

  http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg198431.html

* Wanting already merged code to work is too much to ask.

  http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg79731.html

* When people try in good faith to conduct methodical boot tests,
  DT is working against them.

  http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg79960.html

Thanks,
Richard
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