Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752723Ab3G0SbT (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:31:19 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:54693 "EHLO mail-ea0-f170.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752306Ab3G0SbR (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:31:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:31:01 +0200 From: Richard Cochran To: Arend van Spriel Cc: Tomasz Figa , Olof Johansson , Mark Brown , Mark Rutland , "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Russell King - ARM Linux , Ian Campbell , Pawel Moll , Stephen Warren , Domenico Andreoli , "rob.herring@calxeda.com" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Jason Gunthorpe , Dave P Martin , "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?] Message-ID: <20130727183059.GD4813@netboy> References: <20130725175702.GC22291@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <20130727050406.GB4221@netboy> <2007664.vYsECFSKrV@flatron> <51F39FD8.6080808@broadcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51F39FD8.6080808@broadcom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1240 Lines: 29 On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:24:24PM +0200, Arend van Spriel wrote: > > That is a nice summary of how we got from null to now and Richard > seems to be simply saying: let's stop mucking about and make this a > project with a well-defined process of dealing with staging and > stable bindings and keep stable bindings stable. Yes, that is right. Frankly, I am really surprised and shocked at the cavalier attitude expressed here WRT DT bindings in released kernels. Think about the *users* of this code. Not everyone working with ARM Linux is a kernel developer or a DT guru. There is really no indication at all that the ARM Linux DT stuff released so far are not stable and trustworthy. It is not nice to provide such a mess, and the idea that we *must* have a mess because the whole system in still in development is bogus, IMHO. Just make sure that the mainline kernel is really working and that the DT bindings *there* are for keeps. It is your job as kernel developers. Thanks, Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/