Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:40:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:40:09 -0400 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:19017 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:40:07 -0400 From: To: jw@pegasys.ws, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:45:46 +0100 Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1034455546793" Message-ID: <01c162444200ca2DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4355 Lines: 108 --1034455546793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit such projects already exist, RULE for instance. Cheers, Dean. On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:21 -0700 jw schultz wrote: --1034455546793 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.116.70.75]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:58:32 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:41 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:41 -0400 Received: from vladimir.pegasys.ws ([64.220.160.58]:60944 "HELO vladimir.pegasys.ws") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:40 -0400 Received: from leto.pegasys.ws (leto.pegasys.ws [10.1.1.20]) by vladimir.pegasys.ws (Mail Transfer Agent) with ESMTP id C88E7DF6A for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duncan.pegasys.ws (duncan.pegasys.ws [10.1.1.50]) by leto.pegasys.ws (Mail Transfer Agent) with ESMTP id 045D1189 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by duncan.pegasys.ws (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386), from userid 1001) id A13D64AF3; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:21 -0700 From: jw schultz To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux? Message-ID: <20021009234921.GC14644@pegasys.ws> Mail-Followup-To: jw schultz , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <200210091917.g99JHkSP001461@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210091917.g99JHkSP001461@darkstar.example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: linux-kernel-owner+Hell.Surfers=40cwctv.net@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:17:45PM +0100, jbradford@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > > > On 9 Oct 2002, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 08:37, Alexander Kellett wrote: > > > > This talk of adeos reminds me of something that i'd > > > > "dreamed" of a while back. Whats the feasability of > > > > having a 70kb kernel that barely even provides support > > > > for user space apps and is basically just an hardware > > > > abstraction layer for "applications" that can be > > > > written as kernel modules? > > > > > > Its called FreeDOS, > > > > > > > -emm. Maybe he needs just a bit more. > > Minix, maybe? Now, be realistic. What he asks here isn't that farfeteched. Tell me one other OS that has drivers of the same quality. I'll be the first to say (oops, Alan beat me to it) that a Linux stripped down that much wouldn't be Linux. However, it wouldn't be an unreasonable project to create sort of fork that strips Linux down to the bare minimum while still keeping the driver API. I don't say that it can be done just that it might make a reasonable public project if enough embedded people wanted such a beast^Winsect. The dificulty would be excising/replacing core code without breaking it, side-porting driver patches, and the periodic resyncing with Linux so new drivers and driver patches would still apply. Painful indeed. Of course it wouldn't be Linux. Maybe call it Minux or Minlin. And give it its own mailing list instead of linux-kernel. -- ________________________________________________________________ J.W. Schultz Pegasystems Technologies email address: jw@pegasys.ws Remember Cernan and Schmitt - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ --1034455546793-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/