Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:40:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:40:22 -0400 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl ([131.155.2.5]:25039 "EHLO mailhost.tue.nl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:40:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:46:09 +0200 From: Andries Brouwer To: Alastair Stevens Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Small oddity of the week: 2.4.20-pre Message-ID: <20021012224609.GA23046@win.tue.nl> References: <1034431251.2688.64.camel@dolphin.entropy.net> <20021012171642.GA22969@win.tue.nl> <1034443816.10850.70.camel@dolphin.entropy.net> <20021012180032.GA22980@win.tue.nl> <1034447457.2688.74.camel@dolphin.entropy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1034447457.2688.74.camel@dolphin.entropy.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2426 Lines: 57 On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 07:30:57PM +0100, Alastair Stevens wrote: > On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 19:00, Andries Brouwer wrote: > > > ie - the first time, it gives me two repeated lines. This appears to be > > > random. In a clean terminal, it'll sometimes give me only the one line > > > on the first run, and then do two lines multiple times.... > > > > Could it be that you have statistics garbage in /proc/partitions? > > That will break fdisk. > > Well, I'm no expert, but it looks OK to me: > > 953 alastair@dolphin:~> cat /proc/partitions > major minor #blocks name rio rmerge rsect ruse wio wmerge wsect > wuse running use aveq > > 3 0 58633344 hda 413162 1219920 12595886 1973640 268105 574049 > 6745668 8302590 -2 36995689 21817577 > 3 1 7253316 hda1 8 24 64 110 0 0 0 0 0 110 110 Some vendors added statistics to /proc/partitions. Laziness on their side. Since they patch the kernel anyway it would have been very easy to make /proc/diskstatistics. But vendors may do as they wish. This breaks some software, but these same vendors patch their versions of this software. Then some misguided people came and wanted this in the official kernel. Bad. It is bad enough that vendors add pollution, but that good kernel developers want to do this is inexplicable to me. It only causes trouble, and gains precisely nothing. In this particular case there are two problems: (i) the format was changed (ii) the content has become dynamic Many proc files like /proc/filesystems or /proc/partitions may change, but not many times a second, and most likely not without the operator being aware of it. This means that programs like mount and fdisk can read these files [1]. But a /proc/partitions that contains statistics will change many times a second, causing problems for programs that try to read it one line at a time. My conjecture is that you were bitten by the latter phenomenon. Andries [1] The correct use of mount is to give an explicit type. The correct use of fdisk is to give an explicit device. Nothing else is guaranteed. Shorthand versions work with high probability. But with a dynamic /proc/partitions they work with lower probability. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/