Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751221Ab3HSRr7 (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:47:59 -0400 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk ([93.93.128.6]:51458 "EHLO cavan.codon.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751073Ab3HSRr6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:47:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:47:43 +0100 From: Matthew Garrett To: James Bottomley Cc: David Woodhouse , "John W. Linville" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: UEFI Plugfest 2013 -- New Orleans Message-ID: <20130819174743.GA25193@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20130816152030.GL2133@tuxdriver.com> <1376900735.2322.26.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20130819125507.GA19093@srcf.ucam.org> <1376925765.2069.24.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <20130819160018.GA22532@srcf.ucam.org> <1376931775.2069.46.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <20130819172139.GA24393@srcf.ucam.org> <1376933926.2069.52.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1376933926.2069.52.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on cavan.codon.org.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1333 Lines: 30 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:38:46AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > It's not about us removing the code, it's about us having an accurate > compliance test. There are two reasons for having a fully correct > compliance test > > 1. Our work arounds have unintended consequences which have knock > on effects which mean that you don't know if a test failure is > real or an unintended consequence of a work around. It doesn't matter. If a platform is supposed to run Linux 3.6 then it has to run Linux 3.6 regardless of whether or not the failure is due to a firmware bug or a bug in the kernel. The platform vendor will be obliged to fix it in the firmware no matter what the test suite says. > 2. New features in specs tend to build on previous features, so > we're going to have a hard time constructing accurate tests for > layered features where we've done a work around for the base > feature. Which is easily rectified if the specification is modified to describe reality instead. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/