Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:36:57 -0700
From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
        linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com, linus.walleij@linaro.org,
        rjw@sisk.pl
Subject: Re: ACPI vs Device Tree - moving forward
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:57:13PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 01:51:03PM -0700, Darren Hart wrote:
> 
> > It seems to me that the only way to end up in a situation where the data
> > is reused by other OSes, is to go through a standards body. What about
> > attempting to standardize the _DSM method? I suppose the challenge then
> > is how do we standardize arbitrary data (which, of course, is an
> > oxymoron)...
> 
> Right. We could certainly spec the DT bindings that currently exist, but 
> the obvious pushback is that large chunks of it *are* already in ACPI - 
> a _PS0 method (which is ACPI for "Power up the device") that toggles a 
> GPIO pin, and then provides a different GPIO pin in the DT data, which 
> would we believe?
> 
> > The interesting thing about this to me is that many of these devices are
> > added after-the-fact (as add-on boards, for example). With the
> > MinnowBoard we are looking to provide this configuration data in an
> > EEPROM. Would it make sense for the device manufacturer (rather than the
> > base-board manufacturer) to define the key-value pairs for their
> > hardware?
> 
> Yes, hardware information that's on add-in boards should probably be 
> provided by the add-in board if it carries a ROM. This is trivial on 
> UEFI systems - you just need a UEFI driver for the board that can 
> construct an appropriate SSDT. It's more of a problem for non-UEFI ACPI 
> systems.
> 
> > Sadly, I will not be in New Orleans and am unlikely to receive a Kernel
> > Summit invite, but I am planning be in Edinburgh and would like the
> > opportunity to participate in this discussion.
> 
> I'm not planning on being at kernel summit this year, so I think we'll 
> try to arrange something around that time but outside the event.
> 
For my part I'll be in New Orleans but not in Edinburgh. Meeting in Edinburgh
for the DT/ACPI discussion would of course be an incentive to be there even
without KS invitation, but it is too far to travel just for that purpose.

Guenter
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