Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:32:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:32:52 -0400 Received: from fmr03.intel.com ([143.183.121.5]:54725 "EHLO hermes.sc.intel.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200210181638.g9IGcdP31359@unix-os.sc.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: mgross Reply-To: mgross@unix-os.sc.intel.com Organization: SSG Intel To: "Timothy D. Witham" , "Martin J. Bligh" Subject: Re: Bug tracking in the run up from 2.5 to 2.6 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:41:59 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Cc: linux-kernel References: <205680000.1034895125@flay> <1034895725.8879.5.camel@wookie-t23.pdx.osdl.net> In-Reply-To: <1034895725.8879.5.camel@wookie-t23.pdx.osdl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1966 Lines: 41 On Thursday 17 October 2002 07:02 pm, Timothy D. Witham wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 15:52, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > >?We're proposing to create a bug tracking system to help keep track of > >?2.5 kernel bugs ... in an attempt to help get 2.5 stabilised as quickly > > as possible. > >? Defect tracking works best when used over a significant portion of the product life cycle. In this case this bug data base will be of more use and value to 2.6 than anything else. You'll need to be patient and persistant. I think something good has a chance of coming out of this. Prioritizing bugs and bug fix activities is a political and user / market driven activity. It'll be interesting to watch this shake out. I wish you all the best of luck. Defect tracking and fixing is a "push" activity. The owners of the bug data base and "the product" along with input from key stake holders, dictate the priority and owners of issues (pushes the responsibility onto an owner). The owners then go and make fixes. This tends to be effective in hierarchical organizations. The Linux development model is more of a pull model. Someone finds a bug takes it upon them selves to fix it (pulls the responsibility onto themselves), and then attempts to get the fix accepted. If bugs in some areas sit around too long it becomes an opportunity for someone new to step up. Perhaps if you set up the bug queries as a type of advertisement of the "most wanted bugs" that aren't getting attention could proved a nice place for folks to look if they are interested in getting involved / helping out. It could also become a type of "wall of shame". You'll need to be carefull to keep things positive. --mgross - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/