Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:19:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:19:08 -0400 Received: from auto-matic.ca ([216.209.85.42]:29188 "EHLO mark.mielke.cc") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:19:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:24:42 -0400 From: Mark Mielke To: jbradford@dial.pipex.com Cc: xaxxon@chopper.slackworks.com, nwourms@netscape.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Message-ID: <20021022192442.GA1814@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20021020084056.GD5064@mark.mielke.cc> <200210211246.g9LCk47l002728@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210211246.g9LCk47l002728@darkstar.example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2492 Lines: 55 On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:46:04PM +0100, jbradford@dial.pipex.com wrote: > It was initially developed as a C front end to VUCK, but was later > re-written, using none of the VUCK code, but initially keeping parts > of the C front end. The GNU project was originally developed without > using any proprietary software. > So, non-GPL software was used, but the software that was used was, at > least to begin with, all non-proprietary. Even if this was true (I have no reason to doubt it)... Is the idea that "Free Software Providers" must use "Free Software" to produce a reasonable decree from the king of "Free Software"? Is it reasonable that if I happen to have some super fancy memory allocation routines that automatically locate and resolve all memory leaks in my program, I *cannot use it when producing GPL code* as the software was purchased? This becomes hypocrisy. RMS hates Bit Keeper because it requires people in competing fields to purchase a license, but RMS feels that people are doing acts of "evil" by using software that isn't "Free" (RMS TM). Basically... RMS gets to choose your software for you... Which is completely besides the *real* point. CVS is crap for larger products, and Sub-Version (and other competitors) are only in their initial stages of life. If something better than Bit Keeper existed for free, doesn't RMS have enough faith in the people who develop Linux to *TRUST* that they would be using it already? RMS is setting standards based on his own personal agenda that allows him to be king of "Free" software. I don't want a king. I want the freedom to produce free software in the way that *I* find most convenient, completely free of political crap. If I wanted to be a policitian, I wouldn't have learned C. mark -- mark@mielke.cc/markm@ncf.ca/markm@nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/