Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:48:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:48:27 -0500 Received: from vger.timpanogas.org ([207.109.151.240]:22538 "EHLO vger.timpanogas.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:48:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:42:57 -0700 From: "Jeff V. Merkey" To: Anton Altaparmakov Cc: lists@frednet.dyndns.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dneault@microsoft.com Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release Message-ID: <20010203194257.B9091@vger.timpanogas.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204002341.00a90cc0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> <20010203181433.A2882@frednet.dyndns.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010203184941.00a95ae0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> <20010203181433.A2882@frednet.dyndns.org> <20010203181617.B8621@vger.timpanogas.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010204002341.00a90cc0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> <20010203190231.A8840@vger.timpanogas.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010204012431.00a7b9a0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204012431.00a7b9a0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk>; from aia21@cam.ac.uk on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:43:54AM +0000 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:43:54AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: > At 02:02 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: > >I am noticeable impressed with your ability to address these issues. > > (-: > > >Microsoft would be much happier I am certain with a pure Linux solution > >for this problem. They have been incredibly tolerant in allowing > > Believe me, so would I! It's a long way to go to having a fully functional > ntfsck Linux utility, but we will get there eventually. And of course, the > actual driver is under heavy development both by Yuri Per of Acronis Ltd. > and myself at the moment (he is probably doing more than me as he does this > as part of a full time job...). In fact I am sitting on a very nice patch > for the driver at the moment but want to do some testing before I send it > off to Alan as it does quite a lot of fixing including a nasty race I found > staring at the code yesterday and several bug fixes and clean ups (or > rather rewrites of some functions almost) courtesy of Yuri. So the > importance of ntfsfix should become smaller and smaller as time goes on > until eventually we won't need it all. (-: > > >me to help customers with trashed drives, but I am sure you are > >aware that they were only tolerating it since it was helping > >customers who use both NT and Linux, and even this was quite > >a stretch they did not have to go. It's a statement that even in > >those cases where tey may be helping Linux, they put their customers > >needs first (this took some convincing on my part). > > Yes, I am aware of that. I very much doubt that Microsoft would be helping > Linux without an extremely good reason. I guess the only way part of > Microsoft might start working with/on Linux would be if the DOJ would split > the company up in two parts OS/Servers and Office apps. If that would > happen the Office part would have a growing market interest in a Linux > port, which at the moment is out of the question as Office is probably one > of the last barriers to a mass user migration to Linux. - Imagine all the > office and home environments where Windows is used solely for the purpose > of using Microsoft Word/Excel. They could all switch to Linux and many > would probably do so if Word/Excel would exist under Linux... It would be > very cost effective, too. - Oh well, one can dream. (-; > > >They are very angry at me right now for even doing this in the > >first place, and I doubt the relationship will ever be back on > >the keel it was originally, but since I work on Linux almost > >exslusively now, I do not think it matters. > > While it doesn't matter, I am sure things will improve over time. > > >Good Work, A++. > > Thanks! (-: > > Best regards, > > Anton > > > > At 01:16 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > >To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that > > > >trash their NTFS partitions. TRG will discontinue distribution of these > > > >tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version. > > > > > > > >Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged > > > >NTFS partitions trashed by Linux. Please contact Andre and use his > > > > > > You probably meant Anton in the sentence above... > > > > > > >tools instead. I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing > > > >these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job. > > > > > > The NTFS disk edit utility you were providing does quite a lot more since > > > it is interactive. And my utility doesn't do everything I would like it to > > > do yet but it does work so I wanted to push a release out of the door > > ASAP. > > > But it doesn't really matter. The NTFS disk editor is a relatively freely > > > available utility as I found out recently, anyways. It is present on the > > > Windows NT4 Service Pack 4 CD! It's not mentioned anywhere in the > > > documentation but it sure is there among the service pack files. I managed > > > to dig the out in our College computer office and it's now officially > > mine. > > > That has the advantage of not binding you to the license of only using it > > > for repairing NTFS partitions... (-: > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Anton > > > Hell will freeze, and the US will break off from the continental mass and sink into the oceans before I think MS will ever endorse Linux officially. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. :-) Jeff > > > > > > -- > > > Anton Altaparmakov (replace at with @) > > > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/ > > > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/ > >- > >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > >the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > >Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > -- > Anton Altaparmakov (replace at with @) > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/ > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/ > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/